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Title: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on January 29, 2010, 09:30:27 AM
I recently bought the new wireless N adapter by microsoft for the 360 and I am suffering random disconnects. At first I thought it might be the adapter but I found a post on the Xbox forums where someone else with the same router is having the same issue.

I never had a problem with the G adapter, and nothing else has changed in my network. I have an A2 router with f/w 1.32 NA. The router itself is stable and I am not having anyother issues with the network outside of the xbox 360.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: Tyrone Biggums on January 29, 2010, 11:08:43 AM
Could be an incompatible issue?

Cant really say since I dont own a N wireless adapter?

As a side note why would you game over wireless? I think its more flaky IMO stick to hard wire connection if you can.

I know it's convenient
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on January 29, 2010, 12:45:17 PM
Thanks for the response.

I did some more poking around and found a review on amazon and new egg that both described random disconnects on the xbox 360 when using this router and the new Xbox wireless N adapter.

I went ahead and upgraded to the 1.33 f/w and am crossing my fingers that this corrects my problem, but any insight would still be appreciated.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: DustoMan on January 30, 2010, 08:43:11 PM
I have the new N adapter and a 655 with the latest official firmware.  Works peachy here.  Streams HD video like a champ.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on January 30, 2010, 09:54:53 PM
good to hear. Did you have the new adapter  with the 1.32na f/w too?
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on January 31, 2010, 01:30:27 AM
I am still having connection issues even with the new firmware.

Tonight I tried steaming a video from my PC and I kept getting an error on the Xbox that the connection to my PC had been lost. When I popped in the old G adapter it started working as expected.

Is anyone else having similar issues??

I have never had any problems with this router before. As a matter of fact it has been the most stable wirelss router I have ever used.

The only other thing I can think to do is try to exchange the N adapter for a new one...maybe it is defective.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: pender on January 31, 2010, 04:23:47 AM
I know the original 11g and now the 11n Xbox adapters do not work with the newest 825 firmware and many people are pissed so it is likely a bug that will not be fixed anytime soon.  You should consider adding a new 11n access point to your network and disabling the 11n on the 655.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4549514&CatId=2668
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on January 31, 2010, 11:28:52 AM
I know the original 11g and now the 11n Xbox adapters do not work with the newest 825 firmware and many people are pissed so it is likely a bug that will not be fixed anytime soon.  You should consider adding a new 11n access point to your network and disabling the 11n on the 655.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4549514&CatId=2668


Good Idea. I will save that one for later if I can't figure this out.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on January 31, 2010, 08:03:54 PM
So I went ahead and exchanged the N adapter for a new one. The problem of random disconnects is still happening.

There is definitely a conflict of some kind between the Xbox 360 N adapter and the DIR-655, even with the newest firmware.

This is very dissappointing for me since I have had this router for almost 2 years and never had an issue until now. I am sure Microsoft and D-Link are just going to point fingers at each other and insist the problem is not on their end.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: Sammydad1 on January 31, 2010, 09:04:04 PM
Hi,

I run a TrendNet wireless gaming adapter for my main Xbox360...its their version 1.0 and altho it shows in the 655 status as running .11N, it will only run at .11G speeds.  Very stable tho, just not at .11N speeds.

They sell a newer model now, and maybe that has better .11N compatibility ??

I am very happy with my adapter, altho in reality, its more like a self-contained wireless bridge as you can technically run it into a switch to pass signal to more than just a single Xbox or pc....or so the little manual says.  It, the adapter, has its own LAN IP, but the XBox uses its own LAN IP, not the adapter's IP.

I got mine from Newegg....was on sale when I got it....

Dave
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on January 31, 2010, 09:08:32 PM
thanks for the tip Sammy.

I am considering getting a thrid party adapter now.

I am on the phone with Xbox customer support right now and they are surprised I am having issues since D-link is one of their top recommended brands.

They have me on hold now trying to see if there is something they can do.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: pender on January 31, 2010, 09:13:48 PM
Yes, the Dlink DAP-1522, WET610N are good third party 11n wireless ethernet bridge adapters.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on January 31, 2010, 09:15:13 PM
Yes, the Dlink DAP-1522, WET610N are good third party 11n wireless ethernet bridge adapters.

Thanks again I am looking at those options now
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on January 31, 2010, 09:43:48 PM
xbox customer support just told me to "open the 6 gaming ports" on my router

UDP 88
UDP 53
UDP 3074
TCP 80
TCP 53
TCP 3074

Do you guys think this might help??
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: Sammydad1 on January 31, 2010, 09:47:08 PM
Hi,

I had to do no such thing with my adapter.

Did that microsoft adapter have you set it up with encryption and such before you attach it to the 360 ?

Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on January 31, 2010, 09:48:44 PM
All I had to do was open the packaging and plug it into the console.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: Sammydad1 on January 31, 2010, 09:51:47 PM
Hi,

Do you have wireless encryption on your router ?

There are certainthings you need to do to get towards the 300 Mbps wireless speeds that .11N promises...  read the sticky about it
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on January 31, 2010, 09:52:49 PM
yeah I have it all set up for as recommended in the sticky for 300 mbps.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on January 31, 2010, 11:41:33 PM
opening the ports did nothing to correct this issue. Once again I am out of ideas, but I will tryo to call support again tomorrow.

I am hesitant to buy a third party adapter for a couple of reason, but mainly because I cannot return the microsoft adapter for a refund any longer. Too much time has passed. I really want this to work for me.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: pender on January 31, 2010, 11:55:52 PM
I think you can be pretty certain the Xbox adapter is not faulty and you should keep it.  Perhaps a Cheap wireless Access Point will serve better.  You can buy a new one, but if you live in an urban area, buy one off craigslist.  Be sure to search for the exact model number on craigslist because searching for 'wrt*' does not yield the results you want.

Also, a 5Ghz Access Point is recommended for reduced error correction in a densly populated area. 
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30333/96/
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on January 31, 2010, 11:59:25 PM
So I am clear....you are suggesting that I turn off the wirelss features of my Dir-655 and plug a wireless access point directly into the router. Then use the microsoft adapter to connect the 360 to said wireless access point?
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: pender on February 01, 2010, 12:03:40 AM
So I am clear....you are suggesting that I turn off the wirelss features of my Dir-655 and plug a wireless access point directly into the router. Then use the microsoft adapter to connect the 360 to said wireless access point?

If you can not return the 360 adapter and can find a cheap WAP, then yes, that is my suggestion because myself and everyone else with 655 wireless woes knows the problem will not magically disappear nor will it ever be fixed by a future 655 firmware update.

Try to avoid 5Ghz if there are many walls between the newly place WAP and the 360 or if the 360 is very far away.  If you live in an apartment though, get 5Ghz regardless and do not get 2.4Ghz gear.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on February 01, 2010, 12:10:50 AM
I have unfortunately become aware of the issues suffered with this and other d-link products and am EXTREMELY grateful for everyone's help.

I am damn near ready to write this router off and get a new one since I am certain it is the cause of the problem. I will look into the wireless access points as you suggested and maybe shop around for new routers. I am just not sure where to turn if I do buy new since I have had bad experiences years ago with LnkSys products and NetGear too.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: Sammydad1 on February 01, 2010, 09:50:50 AM
Hi,

There are some recent threads about how to downgrade the router back to a pre-1.3X firmware.

Having never used the specific adapter you are fighting with, I can only suggest that maybe you revert back to firmware 1.21 without securespot.  I say 1.21 simply because that is what I run here so I am most familiar with it.

I think I recall your original postings syaing you had tried 1.21 so altho it may not be specifically what might help you, it may well reduce the number of possibilites since so many folks have had wireless issues with the 1.3X versions....

Don't dump the router just yet....

Dave
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on February 01, 2010, 12:49:38 PM
successfully downgraded to 1.21. Wish me luck!!
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: jasonxe on February 01, 2010, 01:01:42 PM
Disable QoS Engine in your router.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on February 01, 2010, 01:03:36 PM
why?
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: jasonxe on February 01, 2010, 01:08:51 PM
caused disconnects (Request Timed Out) repeatably until i disabled it. May work for you so i suggest giving it a try to see if it helps.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on February 01, 2010, 01:47:25 PM
Got it THANKS!!

I will try that if the problem persists.

I really appreciate all of the help here. Thanks again!
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on February 01, 2010, 11:07:16 PM
So far so good with the downgraded f/w.

Also....

I sent D-link an email last night describing my issue and suprisingly received a response today requesting more information. Just thought I would let you all know.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on February 02, 2010, 12:10:26 PM
Well the 1.21 f/w did not help. This morning I was trying to watch an epsiode of heroes on the 360 through netflix and got disconnected twice in a row.

D-link suggested I set my router to N only, but I need G for some of my other devices. I am currently testing N only.


I have to wonder if the firmware issue on MS's side and not d-link's.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: Sammydad1 on February 02, 2010, 04:48:33 PM
Hi,

Looks like you need to tote your 360 over to a friends place with your wireless adapter and test it out there to verify if its your router or your adapter.....

Let us know...
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on February 02, 2010, 07:53:45 PM
Sammy....You read my mind. I was just thinking about letting a friend use the adapter at his house to see.

At least I know it is not my console since the G adapter works fine on it.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: Sammydad1 on February 02, 2010, 09:12:49 PM
GMTA !! 
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: jasonxe on February 03, 2010, 05:24:56 PM
did you disable qos?
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on February 03, 2010, 10:12:52 PM
no, not yet. I am testing a few other settings right now.

But I'll tell you what, I am thinking about just going wired to the Xbox and skip all this non sense.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: Sammydad1 on February 03, 2010, 10:21:57 PM
were you able to try it at your friend's house yet ?
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on February 03, 2010, 11:11:23 PM
no luck...the few friends I know with Xbox's that live close do not have wireless N.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on February 03, 2010, 11:21:12 PM
can anyone recommend a good gigabit card that will work with Win 7 32 bit??
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: lotacus on February 04, 2010, 12:33:46 AM
nope can't. but I would look at an intel chipset. Stay away from realtek. they are crap. Look in the business/server market. You'll get the best.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: pender on February 04, 2010, 12:49:56 AM
Intel Chipset.

PCI 33Mhz bus - Intel PWLA8391GT
PCI Express x1 - Intel EXPI9301CTBLK

Both work with Vista and Win7 32 bit.  PCI version is hit or miss with 64-bit Windows, but both work well with VMWare ESXi 32 or 64-bit.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: jasonxe on February 04, 2010, 02:34:36 AM
no, not yet. I am testing a few other settings right now.

But I'll tell you what, I am thinking about just going wired to the Xbox and skip all this non sense.

why? Just do it already.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on February 04, 2010, 09:25:34 AM
why? Just do it already.

If and when I test that I will be sure to let you know. thanks again for helping out.
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: hapa papa on February 15, 2010, 08:57:57 PM
Well I ran Cat 6 in my house yesterday and everything is working beautifully. No more wirelss woes for me!!!

Thanks again for all of the help attempting to sort my issues out. Luckily I was able to off load the Xbox N Adapter and apply that to my wired network!
Title: Re: new xbox 360 N adapter issue
Post by: Sammydad1 on February 15, 2010, 09:09:15 PM
Hi,

Good to hear you got it squared away....wired ethernet is almost always preferred over wireless in my mind...and YES maybe I am oversimplifying it....

On the other sub topic....

Whats the big rip on Realtek based ethernet cards ?  I have used any number of them and they worked fine....nothing flashy, but they worked.  Marvell makes nice chipsets....  NVidia mobo chipsets have decent enough ethernet ports, but some have had driver issues over the years as I recall....

On my win7 pc, The mobo has both a Marvell Gb and an NVidia Gb port....they both work equally well with the DIR-655....