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Title: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: Stefan on February 04, 2010, 09:17:04 AM
Hi

A few days ago I bought my DNS-323, and so far I love it.
But I just can't get the built-in backup to work.

When trying to access my computer and test the connection I just get failure as a result, and I just don't know how to fix it.

I have my DNS-323 connected with a ethernet-cable to my DIR-635

My desktop computer has the following spec. and is connected wireless.

OS: windows 7 home premium
Computername: Desktop
Networkname: Hemmet
User: Stefan (passwordprotected)
Firewall: Zonealarm basic
Antivirus: Nod32
Wireless network, passwordprotected

And my DNS-323 is called hemmetnas.
Also it's factory default on every setting and running on 1.08 firmware.


Sorry for this awful description, hope you get what I mean.

/Stefan
Title: Re: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: lazzaro4000 on February 04, 2010, 09:57:16 AM
Which ip addresses are you using for your pc and nas ?
What about the net mask ?

More details pls.

Title: Re: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: Stefan on February 04, 2010, 10:14:17 AM
can you explain a bit more what you're after to know?

Title: Re: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on February 04, 2010, 04:18:09 PM
I suggest forgetting about the built-in backup and using a real backup application on your computer.
Title: Re: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: Stefan on February 04, 2010, 11:56:12 PM
That's what I am doing now, however I don't like the fact that it does the backup and make it into .img and not stored as single files..

And currently I'm using Driveclone Pro
Title: Re: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: JavaLawyer on February 05, 2010, 04:48:16 AM
If you're looking for a third-party backup application to run off your PC, I suggest SyncBack.  The free version is very powerful (the only freeware limitation is the number of PCs you can schedule backups for).
Title: Re: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on February 05, 2010, 05:25:55 AM
I use Beyond Compare from www.scootersoftware.com for drive sync.  It's not free, but it's a pretty nifty package, and it handles folder trees with hundreds of thousands of files without missing a beat.
Title: Re: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: Wiggs on February 05, 2010, 09:41:33 AM
I use Acronis which has a flat file copy option, although it seems to have flaws.  Karen's Replicator is Freeware and copies flat-file and directory trees. 

http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptreplicator.asp

Title: Re: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on February 05, 2010, 10:16:48 AM
Acronis True Image is great for image backups, but their file-by-file backup leaves something to be desired.
Title: Re: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: Stefan on February 05, 2010, 02:22:09 PM
Thanks for all the advice and tips!

And while we are on this subject I have a few more questions.

1. is there any difference in safety and security between filebackups as they are and backups stored as .img or .iso

2. I have 2 hdd's, each on 500 GB and doing backups to disk #1, and then from disk #1 to disk #2, is it better to do backups to each drive direct from the backup software.

3. If i want to do a partition on one of the hdd's is that hdd affected in any bad way or is it still the same?

pretty much at one time now.

Maybe I ain't that good at computers as I like to think I am =P

/Stefan
Title: Re: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on February 05, 2010, 03:17:08 PM
Well, the one issue with huge image files that contain thousands of files is that corruption of the file can cause you to lose access to the whole backup.  If you have a file by file backup that stores individual files, corruption of a file or files usually doesn't kill the whole backup.
Title: Re: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: Stefan on February 07, 2010, 11:35:27 AM
I use Beyond Compare from www.scootersoftware.com for drive sync.  It's not free, but it's a pretty nifty package, and it handles folder trees with hundreds of thousands of files without missing a beat.

I downloaded a trial of Beyond Compare, it looks kinda hard to handle to me, but i think i should give it a try.
Title: Re: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on February 07, 2010, 11:43:19 AM
It takes a bit to lean your way around, but it's a very powerful application. :)
Title: Re: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: Wiggs on February 08, 2010, 07:40:58 AM
2. I have 2 hdd's, each on 500 GB and doing backups to disk #1, and then from disk #1 to disk #2, is it better to do backups to each drive direct from the backup software.

Maybe I am missing something here but why wouldn't you have the 2 drives setup as RAID1 rather than copying to disk#1 and then to disk#2?
Title: Re: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on February 08, 2010, 08:28:45 AM
RAID of any level is NOT backup!  If you use RAID-1 and you accidentally remove a file, it's gone from both in a flash.  Same for a virus or other software.

OTOH, a backup is really two independent copies of the files.

RAID-1 is just a provision to allow you to access your data if you have a hardware failure of one drive, it should NOT be confused with backup.
Title: Re: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: klein on February 08, 2010, 10:34:10 AM
hey gunrunnerjohn,

i agree with you 100% that raid is not a backup but what happens if you have a raid 1 setup and it had a network recycle bin, would you consider the raid 1 solution a backup then?

i know the 323 doesn't have a recycle bin, i am just asking ...
Title: Re: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: Wiggs on February 08, 2010, 10:54:10 AM
I agree with you gunrunnerjohn - I think that I was asleep when I read the OP.  :)

Wiggs,
Title: Re: can't get backup to work at all
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on February 08, 2010, 11:20:26 AM
hey gunrunnerjohn,

i agree with you 100% that raid is not a backup but what happens if you have a raid 1 setup and it had a network recycle bin, would you consider the raid 1 solution a backup then?

i know the 323 doesn't have a recycle bin, i am just asking ...

It's still not a backup.  If an errant program or rogue application can lose all the data, that's not really a backup.

Hey, it's your data, so I don't presume to tell you how to protect it.  You're just receiving my opinion of using RAID of any level as a backup. :)