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Title: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: amphiprion on February 07, 2010, 08:16:35 PM
I have Azureus/Vuze as a P2P client and it can test, more accurately than most, whether or not ports are properly opened.  Normally, this isn't a problem, but after 1.33NA, UPnP will go down and the router has to be restarted.  I may downgrade to 1.31NA like I did from 1.32NA, but what do you guys think?  Anyone else having the same issue?  I have the UPnP service, etc. marked as automatic in Windows 7 HP x64.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: Sammydad1 on February 07, 2010, 08:57:00 PM
Hi,

Is UPnP enabled in the router ?  If so, try disable it and reboot the router.


SD1
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: Cobra on February 07, 2010, 09:40:03 PM
I use µTorrent and UPnP works fine with the latest firmware on Win 7 Pro 64.

The UPnP Device Host service should be set to manual as it starts automatically when needed then shuts back down when not needed anymore.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: amphiprion on February 08, 2010, 07:40:07 AM
Quote from: Sammydad1 on February 07, 2010, 08:57:00 PM
Hi,

Is UPnP enabled in the router ?  If so, try disable it and reboot the router.


SD1

Yeah, but I'll give that a try, anyway.

Quote from: Cobra on February 07, 2010, 09:40:03 PM
I use µTorrent and UPnP works fine with the latest firmware on Win 7 Pro 64.

The UPnP Device Host service should be set to manual as it starts automatically when needed then shuts back down when not needed anymore.

I had always heard to make it automatic for best results, but I'll give setting it back to manual a try.

Thanks for the replies.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: amphiprion on February 08, 2010, 09:08:55 AM
I tried all of the suggested things and for whatever reason, I cannot get UPnP to work anymore.  I even tried downgrading, which didn't work at all, either, which is odd.  The only thing that works for me now is complete port forwarding.  Kind of a pain...
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: Lycan on February 08, 2010, 09:51:50 AM
I find it hard to believe that UPnP is not working. Are you running any antivirus software on that machine?
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: Cobra on February 08, 2010, 10:01:40 AM
Are you sure it is not Vuze?

Maybe try another client like µTorrent.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: EddieZ on February 08, 2010, 11:28:04 AM
Quote from: amphiprion on February 08, 2010, 09:08:55 AM
I tried all of the suggested things and for whatever reason, I cannot get UPnP to work anymore.  I even tried downgrading, which didn't work at all, either, which is odd.  The only thing that works for me now is complete port forwarding.  Kind of a pain...

Since UPnP is all software/firmware and not a single piece hardware it can't be a broken router. I think you should have a look at the client's services (UPnP device host, SSDP service)
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: amphiprion on February 08, 2010, 03:34:59 PM
Quote from: Lycan on February 08, 2010, 09:51:50 AM
I find it hard to believe that UPnP is not working. Are you running any antivirus software on that machine?

Yes, N360.  I've tried fiddling with permissions, network trust, etc., including cutting off all antivirus and firewall protection.  Still the same.

Quote from: Cobra on February 08, 2010, 10:01:40 AM
Are you sure it is not Vuze?

Maybe try another client like µTorrent.

I've tried µTorrent in the past, but for whatever reason, I get that nag screen whenever I add a torrent.  The developers couldn't figure out why and refused to drop the nag screen, so I dropped µTorrent.  I also like the built-in transcoding engine for my PS3, which brings me to the next thing below.

Quote from: EddieZ on February 08, 2010, 11:28:04 AM
Since UPnP is all software/firmware and not a single piece hardware it can't be a broken router. I think you should have a look at the client's services (UPnP device host, SSDP service)

I'm beginning to suspect something wrong with this, actually.  My PS3 would normally run slower than dirt without UPnP, but I started it up today and it says UPnP is available and I don't experience any lags.  That would suggest that UPnP may be fine as far as the firmware is concerned. 

Unfortunately, that brings me to my software.  I uninstalled Vuze, reinstalled; uninstalled the specific UPnP plugin, reinstalled.  I guess it could still theoretically be Vuze, but I'm not sure.  Then there's also the actual UPnP services in Windows 7 Home Premium.  I've checked them, disabled them, restarted them, set them to automatic, set them to manual, etc.  I still get the same results.  I've run CHKDSK, sfc /scannow, etc. to see if there's any OS corruption, but they don't turn up anything.  I'm running of ideas, guys.  There's got to be something I'm overlooking or not trying somewhere down the line.  Keep the replies coming.  I really appreciate the help.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: Cobra on February 08, 2010, 04:57:31 PM
Quote from: amphiprion on February 08, 2010, 03:34:59 PM
I've tried µTorrent in the past, but for whatever reason, I get that nag screen whenever I add a torrent.  The developers couldn't figure out why and refused to drop the nag screen, so I dropped µTorrent.  I also like the built-in transcoding engine for my PS3, which brings me to the next thing below.

What nag screen?

I have never seen any nag screen in µTorrent.

Did you download from µTorrent site or somewhere else?

Hve you tried enabling logging in vuze?

Then check the log to see what the problem is:
Plugins > Log Views > UPnP

Also, make sure you have entries for Vuze in the Windows Firewall as even though you are using UPnP you still have to have entries in the firewall.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: amphiprion on February 08, 2010, 07:43:04 PM
Quote from: Cobra on February 08, 2010, 04:57:31 PM
What nag screen?

I have never seen any nag screen in µTorrent.

Did you download from µTorrent site or somewhere else?

Hve you tried enabling logging in vuze?

Then check the log to see what the problem is:
Plugins > Log Views > UPnP

Also, make sure you have entries for Vuze in the Windows Firewall as even though you are using UPnP you still have to have entries in the firewall.

Yeah, there's one when you first install µTorrent that says something to the effect of "This program is freeware, if you paid for it you have been scammed..".  Every time I add a torrent (I always close µTorrent when I'm done, so it starts up again after adding) I get the above message.  I had this issue when I still had Vista and I still have it with Windows 7. 
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: Cobra on February 08, 2010, 09:59:06 PM
Downloading from official site or 3rd party?

I have tested this over and over but can not duplicate what you are posting about.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: lotacus on February 08, 2010, 10:14:27 PM
I think buddy has issues differentiating legit software and sources from malicious ones. Wouldn't be suprised if his entire system is FUBAR.

utorrent doesn't display that "nag" screen.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: war59312 on February 08, 2010, 11:41:08 PM
The nag screen is shown when Windows has marked the exe as untrusted.

You can see this by right clicking on the exe and then properties and you will see an "unlock" button.

Does not happen every time though and yes it is very annoying.

It's been like this for years:

http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=9397

Of course it is "suppose" to be shown only once but it's not. I get it like evey 10 runs or so, but never every 10, so it's random.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: Cobra on February 09, 2010, 07:15:26 AM
Are you using an old version?

The algorithm that checks for this has been changed as of the 1.8 builds.

Also, µTorrent 2.0 was just released recently.

Not sure why but the only time I have ever seen this was years ago after the first install.
Since then I just import my setting when I install.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: amphiprion on February 09, 2010, 12:32:24 PM
Quote from: Cobra on February 08, 2010, 09:59:06 PM
Downloading from official site or 3rd party?

I have tested this over and over but can not duplicate what you are posting about.

I have only downloaded it from the official site @ www.utorrent.com.  On another installation, I may have used CNet.  Both are legit and both gave the same results, unfortunately.

Quote from: lotacus on February 08, 2010, 10:14:27 PM
I think buddy has issues differentiating legit software and sources from malicious ones. Wouldn't be suprised if his entire system is FUBAR.

utorrent doesn't display that "nag" screen.

With all due respect, I take offense.  It is very unfair to make assumptions like that.  I at least know enough not to download from sketchy sites.  Any and all software I download comes directly from the respective official source (or CNet).

That being said, the nag screen is indeed there :).  You just aren't looking for it or didn't pay attention to it.

Quote from: war59312 on February 08, 2010, 11:41:08 PM
The nag screen is shown when Windows has marked the exe as untrusted.

You can see this by right clicking on the exe and then properties and you will see an "unlock" button.

Does not happen every time though and yes it is very annoying.

It's been like this for years:

http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=9397

Of course it is "suppose" to be shown only once but it's not. I get it like evey 10 runs or so, but never every 10, so it's random.

I had found that thread when I started using utorrent a few years ago when I had Vista.  I tried the same thing on both Vista and my newer installation of Windows 7, but I always get the same result, unfortunately, since it reappears when I start it back up.  Ah, and thank you for being civil in light of the above comment.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: amphiprion on February 09, 2010, 12:42:50 PM
Hmm, something else I noticed was that the version of Vuze I have is no longer up to date.  They apparently came out with a newer version a bit over a month ago.  I disable automatic updates, so I didn't really even think about it.  I'll try installing the new version and reporting here.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: amphiprion on February 09, 2010, 04:03:37 PM
It's no good.  I tried uTorrent on another computer on the network to try out UPnP and it worked just fine.  Other apps on the same computer with Vuze also work fine.  I guess I'm going to have to assume it's a problem between the compatibility between Vuze and the DIR-655.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: Cobra on February 09, 2010, 04:29:48 PM
Vuze-Having problems with UPnP? (http://faq.vuze.com/?View=entry&EntryID=124)
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: amphiprion on February 09, 2010, 04:53:05 PM
Already ahead of you  ;D.  Thanks again for all the help.  I'm at least glad to know it isn't the router.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: war59312 on February 14, 2010, 07:36:52 PM
Quote from: Cobra on February 09, 2010, 07:15:26 AM
Are you using an old version?

The algorithm that checks for this has been changed as of the 1.8 builds.

Also, µTorrent 2.0 was just released recently.

Not sure why but the only time I have ever seen this was years ago after the first install.
Since then I just import my setting when I install.

I'm an update/beta freak of nature.

Everything on my system is either the latest release version or latest beta/alpha.

So yes I'm running uTorrent 2.1 build 18148. And yes it also happens with the final 2.0 build.

So no it's not fixed and probably never will be.  :'(
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: pbodq on February 14, 2010, 08:25:48 PM
Quote from: amphiprion on February 07, 2010, 08:16:35 PM
I have Azureus/Vuze as a P2P client and it can test, more accurately than most, whether or not ports are properly opened.  Normally, this isn't a problem, but after 1.33NA, UPnP will go down and the router has to be restarted.  I may downgrade to 1.31NA like I did from 1.32NA, but what do you guys think?  Anyone else having the same issue?  I have the UPnP service, etc. marked as automatic in Windows 7 HP x64.

I have the similar situation as yours.
1.33NA + WinXP SP3 + uTorrent 2.0 17920(official stable release, not the beta)

Under 1.32 build 9, the uTorrent 2.0 UPNP could run for 1x days smoothly without any DIR-655 reboot or PC reboot.

After I updated to 1.33NA, UPNP cannot be used AFTER the uTorrent 2.0 continuously ran for 3-4 days.
I did a soft reboot on DIR-655 1.33NA, nothing happens.
I want to point out that the DIR-655's 1.33NA UPNP stops working after CERTAIN days or CERTAIN accumulated throughput.

Don't ask me stupid question about confirming the 2 Windows related services or the DIR-655 UPNP web option are whether on or off.
However, I discover an odd thing that the web UPNP check box in DIR-655 is unchecked after a soft reboot. No one has entered the web page because i am the only owner of it, so I doubt whether DIR-655 shuts its UPNP down automatically when something is triggered.


Honestly, I have switched some critical options after I updated to 1.33NA. This maybe the cause but it should not be. Otherwise, it is a serious bug.
Here is the important options comparison between current 1.33NA setting and the previous 1.32 build 9 setting


1.32 build91.33NA
QoS pageoffon + traffic shaping on + manual 100000 + manual cable + 3 boxes on in the middle
SPIonon
Anti-spoofonon
Endpoint filterhighest restrictedhighest restricted
Securespotonoff
Anti-spoofonon
DNS relayonon
NTPD-link serverD-link server
Syslogoffoff
MAC access Filteroffoff
HTTPSonoff
RemoteManagementonoff
Multicastonon
Wirelessoffoff

Of course, I can switch them back into 1.32build 9 status.
So, wait me for another 10 days and the truth will be out.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: EddieZ on February 15, 2010, 10:44:02 AM
Running all beta/alpha also, but no issues here.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: Cobra on February 15, 2010, 12:27:37 PM
Quote
QoS page off on + traffic shaping on + manual 100000 + manual cable + 3 boxes on in the middle

100000 kbps would be 100 mbps.

Are you sure your upload speed is that fast?

A rate that high could be what is killing your connection after a while.

I have 2Mbps upload which is only about 2048 kbps.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: pbodq on February 15, 2010, 05:51:21 PM
Quote from: Cobra on February 15, 2010, 12:27:37 PM
100000 kbps would be 100 mbps.

Are you sure your upload speed is that fast?

A rate that high could be what is killing your connection after a while.

I have 2Mbps upload which is only about 2048 kbps.

yes, my Internet Service Provider can serve me a 100Mbit WAN speed(Actually, her port is Gigabit but locked at 100). She promises that local connection can reach at least 80Mbit but 20Mbit max for foriegn connections.

For example, I always get 10-11 MByte/s when I download patches from local Microsoft site or  local nVidia site.It can be done in few seconds.

For my uTorrent application, most of the connections are in foriegn countries. Most of the time, the upload speed is 1-2MByte/s. Of course, the speed burst to 8-9MByte/s when I find a local user who subscribes to the same ISP. The job could be finished within several minutes.
Title: Re: UPnP randomly stops working w/ FW 1.33NA
Post by: pbodq on February 25, 2010, 07:31:10 AM
10 high traffic days passed.

Using 1.33NA with old 1.32 b09 setting without any UPnP problem.

It implies that the following item(s) cause the problem

QoS page on
Securespot off
HTTPS off
RemoteManagement off