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Title: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gillou78 on March 22, 2010, 04:04:44 AM
Hi from a newbie,

Here is my problem, I have PC with a network card and a wifi card.
The ethernet goes for DNS 323 and the wifi for internet access via a router.
If I start the DNS 323, windows remove the router access and route all traffic to the ethernet.
So I can't access internet because it all goes to the DNS 323 !!!

Does someone has an idea to solve this problem ?
Thanks for your help.

Gillou


(http://C:\Documents and Settings\moi\Bureau\routeprint without dlink)
(http://C:\Documents and Settings\moi\Bureau\routeprint with dlink)
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gillou78 on March 22, 2010, 04:05:59 AM
soory I don't know how to add pictures of my "route print"
 ;D
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: fordem on March 22, 2010, 04:13:27 AM
It would have been nice to see the routing table - you could transcribe it - but from the sound of it, you probably have both network cards configured to use the same network (192.168.x.y)
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gillou78 on March 22, 2010, 05:35:34 AM
yes it's excatly that : 192.168.1.5 and 192.168.1.51
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on March 22, 2010, 07:17:53 AM
Do a static configuration of the wired connection and leave the Default Gateway and DNS Server addresses blank.  It should be on a different subnet as well to avoid any confusion.
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gillou78 on March 23, 2010, 12:22:40 AM
that's a problem to be a newbie but how do I configure a static connection ?
thank's for your patience !!!

 ::)
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on March 23, 2010, 05:52:38 AM
On what version of Windows are you configuring this?

http://www.tutorialized.com/tutorial/How-to-set-a-static-IP-in-windows-xp/41123 (http://www.tutorialized.com/tutorial/How-to-set-a-static-IP-in-windows-xp/41123)
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gillou78 on March 24, 2010, 03:54:21 AM
I run XP SP3 thank you for the link it looks perfect.

Gillou
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: sq_guru on March 26, 2010, 02:34:51 PM
You've already told us that you have a wireless router, so your NAS box should really be connected to the network there - not directly to your PC's wired network interface.  You could technically connect it directly to your PC and run separate networks between your wireless NIC and your wired NIC via static assignments as others have indicated, but that's silly.  This is how you'll need it configured if you want to utilize the FTP server anyway.
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: fordem on March 26, 2010, 03:13:26 PM
This is how you'll need it configured if you want to utilize the FTP server anyway.

Are you suggesting  the ftp server cannot be used over a direct connection?  Because it can.
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on March 26, 2010, 03:26:03 PM
Are you suggesting  the ftp server cannot be used over a direct connection?  Because it can.
Well, having the NAS connected directly to the PC and then doing the FTP through the computer isn't exactly the easiest way to skin that cat!  Unless you bridge the connections, I don't see an easy way to actually use the FTP functionality in the NAS, you could simply run an FTP server on your computer if it's in the mix anyway.
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: fordem on March 26, 2010, 05:21:04 PM
Both of you are making an assumption - that he wants to use ftp over the internet.

He can if he so chooses connect his NAS to a single computer, and he can, if he so chooses do so with ftp - I fully agree that it's not the best way to use a NAS (and in fact would suggest an external USB, ESATA or firewire attached drive if that was the intent), but it can be done.
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on March 27, 2010, 07:13:45 AM
Well, yes, I was indeed making the assumption that the FTP access was external.  Sorry, but it makes no sense to me to access this via FTP on a direct connection.  ::)
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: sq_guru on March 27, 2010, 08:26:40 AM
Well, yes, I was indeed making the assumption that the FTP access was external.  Sorry, but it makes no sense to me to access this via FTP on a direct connection.  ::)

Exactly!  If a directly connected external drive is all you're wanting, why not just buy a standard USB drive?  Let's not go down these rat holes of how things could be done.
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: fordem on March 27, 2010, 09:45:42 AM
Exactly!  If a directly connected external drive is all you're wanting, why not just buy a standard USB drive?  Let's not go down these rat holes of how things could be done.

At the same time - there is no point in making misleading statements - which is the reason I questioned it.
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on March 27, 2010, 11:16:51 AM
At the same time - there is no point in making misleading statements - which is the reason I questioned it.
Well, you also have to consider the situation.  I know very few people that want to connect and use FTP on the local network to access the NAS, most see FTP as a remote access tool.  We could sit here and endlessly nit-pick almost every reply searching for every grain of truth.  However, wouldn't it be a more constructive use of everybody's time to simply provide solutions to the real problem, not some imagined one?
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: fordem on March 27, 2010, 03:50:43 PM
I know very few people that want to connect and use FTP on the local network to access the NAS, most see FTP as a remote access tool.

Yes - I believe that ftp is used primarily to transfer data across the internet (strictly speaking this is NOT remote access), however, I am also aware that it can be and is often used to transfer data across a LAN.
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gillou78 on April 21, 2010, 01:34:59 AM
Sorry to answer so lately but my problem is not at my office in paris but in one of the subsidiary and I just arrive today to try to solve the problem.
Thank you for discussing the case so professionnaly.
In fact, I am not using the ftp.
The pc is connected to 323 via the network card and is access internet via the wifi card.
I try the static IP and keep you informed.

Thanks for the hand.

Gillou
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gillou78 on April 28, 2010, 03:14:34 AM
Hi everybody,

So finaly I set a static ip to the dns 323 = 192.168.1.21
I modify the wifi card to receive an automatic ip but I still got the problem.
Each time I activate the lan card the bridge to the router disapear and all my internet traffic is directed to the dns 323 !!!

If you have any ideas they are welcomed !!

Gillou
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 28, 2010, 05:32:40 AM
Leave the Default Gateway and DNS Server addresses out of the local LAN configuration.
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: fordem on April 28, 2010, 08:40:57 AM
Hi everybody,

So finaly I set a static ip to the dns 323 = 192.168.1.21
I modify the wifi card to receive an automatic ip but I still got the problem.
Each time I activate the lan card the bridge to the router disapear and all my internet traffic is directed to the dns 323 !!!

If you have any ideas they are welcomed !!

Gillou

What bridge to the router are you referring to?
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gillou78 on April 28, 2010, 02:23:30 PM
when you activate the wifi in windows an icon appears "bridge to the router"
when I activate the lan, the bridge icon disappears and all internet traffic goes to the dns-323
something weirder is the dling utility to discover the 323 shows nothing but windows says there is a lan connected dling on \R:

Thank's for your help

Gillou
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 28, 2010, 02:34:30 PM
Boy, that doesn't happen on my Windows, exactly how are you configuring this?
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: fordem on April 28, 2010, 05:57:19 PM
when you activate the wifi in windows an icon appears "bridge to the router"
when I activate the lan, the bridge icon disappears and all internet traffic goes to the dns-323
something weirder is the dling utility to discover the 323 shows nothing but windows says there is a lan connected dling on \R:

Thank's for your help

Gillou
Connect the Wifi - right click on the bridge and either delete or disable it - and then reconfigure the networks connections are required.
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gillou78 on April 29, 2010, 03:30:49 AM
So I try to sumarize the problem

Wifi : I checked the "receive automatic IP address"
I activate the wifi
A new icon appears saying : internet connexion
Ipconfig gives :
IP = 192.168.1.5
default gateway = 192.168.1.1
DHCP and DNS = 192.168.1.1
I desactivate the wifi and the icon "internet connexion" disappears

LAN : I set a static IP = 192.168.1.21
Gateway and DNS are blank
ipconfig gives :
IP = 192.168.1.21
netmask = 255.255.255.0
default gateway = blank
I use Dlink easy-search to configure the network and here I don’t know what to do !!
If I disable DHCP I can give the same IP 192.168.1.21 but it keeps asking for a gateway and I can’t put 192.168.1.1 because it’s the address of my router.
I am a bit confused !!
Thank’s for your help.

Gillou
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: fordem on April 29, 2010, 10:24:05 AM
First - you have a network related issue which you need to sort out - and this in no way relates to the DNS-323.

Second - if you're going to use two network adapters do NOT use the same ip subnet on both or you will have trouble.
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gillou78 on April 30, 2010, 09:22:14 AM
Thank you fordem, super useful answer.
Sorry not to be a network expert, next time I will try to pass a Bsc in networking before bothering you.
I will continue to use the 323 like before, desactivate wifi, activate lan do the back up and come back to normal.

 :-[
Title: Re: competition between ethernet and wifi
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 30, 2010, 10:15:02 AM
Sorry not to be a network expert, next time I will try to pass a Bsc in networking before bothering you.
You figure being sarcastic to the folks that are helping is the best route?  I'd suggest you may want to rethink your attitude.  ::)