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The Graveyard - Products No Longer Supported => Routers / COVR => DIR-655 => Topic started by: fgl30 on March 02, 2008, 07:30:30 AM
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Is there a chance for us to see USB back port using as "store link" (printer sharing, external usb device, etc) Thx
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I don't understand why D-Link doesn't implement this in their products. When I was deciding to buy my NAS (I bought the DNS-323), and now (most probably), my DIR-655, this was exactly one of the biggest negative points on D-Link hardware.
I bought the DNS-323 because of price/performance relation, and now, I'll probably buy the DIR-655 because of exactly the same. Asus doesn't offer yet a gigabit router (shame on them, something I also don't understand) and the Linksys routers in the same category of DIR-655 don't offer the same performance. But, both allow to attach external usb devices to them. In the end I always regret a little that I didn't bought something which would allow me to connect external hard disks to it.
And the most strange thing to me, is that we are not even talking about a huge additional cost. Both products already bring an USB port and Linux provides a low cost software way for them to implement access to external usb devices like hard disks. I believe this is probably a commercial strategy (they probably believe we will buy a NAS), but, I think this just backfires on them, making some costumers to buy other brands.
So, is there any product manager reading this forums, that will change D-Link strategy regarding attaching USB devices to their hardware? Your costumers are really wanting this! I would pay more money for a DNS-655 with this feature! :)
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@mcduarte2000
youīve got my point.... I think have a modern router and need to use a computer for every action is a non-sense way.... my best friend, for example, have an Asus WL-500W.. this router donīt have wired GigaLan, BUT have USB sharing any device and have the Asus Download Master feature, the COOLEST one... you can plug one external device in USB port (such as a hdd) and let download running with PC or laptop powered OFF..... amazing!!!!!!!!!!!! you can put 250 Gb of files from uTorrent with no one PC plugged in router...... I think soon iīll move from one wl-500w
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I can only agree.....this is a feature that D-Link could score a lot of costumers with....
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no reply from Lycan... why ???
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Concerning USB ports on Routers, I purchased a Belkin external USB hub that connects to the router. You can then use it to attach ANY USB device to it and use them acrosss the network. The only drawback is the fact that only one IP can use it at a time. You have to ask permission from the user to use the device. However, if you are the only person on your network, no problem. Just hook it in and attach hard drives, printers, cameras, scanners, whatever and enjoy the capability. It has 5 ports and you can add hubs to it as well. I bought it at Best Buy for $129.00 and now they are down to about $70 or so. I also have a DNS-323 NAS attached with two 500gig hard drives installed. No problems at all. I do have one problem with the router though that I'll address in another topic.
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no reply from Lycan... why ???
This has been discussed here before, and basically they have said that it wasn't going to happen.
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Here.
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=468.0
Should sum it up for everyone.
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so what is the usb for then?? just to allow you to copy the WCS to a usb stick to install on clients?? is that it?? really... cant be... seriously..... :o thats the worst use of technology ever... wow.... if i had know that.... i thought you could hook up USB stick or something..... nice.... whom ever does the marketing clearly should run for president as they fooled me and i suspect a few others.....
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Sorry guys, that's the only function of the USB connector.
From all the discussions about NAS yes or no, it seems that the amount of memory for the extended firmware is the main issue here. It's always a choice, looking at it commercially towards production cost . Look at the Asus WL5xx series, they incorporate most of the features (although NAS performance is an issue there). But that range of products is much larger and can benefit from a shared firmware platform. They also sell much more devices, so they can afford to beef up their machines. D-link's 655 does perform much better than the Asus series on it's core service: networking.
And as far as I know, USB drives are only a bit cheaper the Ethernet devices and the performance is not really better in practice. So my choice would be: keep improving on networking capabilities and a hint for D-Link: give DIR655 buyers some 25% discount on a D-link NAS device (323 or 313). That's what I would call real customer value!
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So my choice would be: keep improving on networking capabilities
Amen EddieZ! I completely agree! The USB port was never advertised for anything else! Right from the product spec page: "USB Port (for WindowsŪ Connect Now)" http://www.dlink.com/products/resource.asp?pid=530&rid=2027&sec=0
Cheers!
BV
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I disagree.. so if router performance will decrease, let us choise... fw 01 = without 'usb link'.... fw 02 = with 'usb link'... from my point of view, this is only for D-Link sell more and more hw.... I wanna plug my printer without need new print sever... just my opinion....
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I disagree.. so if router performance will decrease, let us choise... fw 01 = without 'usb link'.... fw 02 = with 'usb link'... from my point of view, this is only for D-Link sell more and more hw.... I wanna plug my printer without need new print sever... just my opinion....
I don't disagree with the concept of choice. There is choice between a Dlink router with options x and other brands of routers with options y or z. Your idea sounds nice, but it will make the D-link a mediocre NAS enabled router and a mediocre network router. Better to excel in one area than be mediocre on a few. There's a lot of mediocre stuff around.
There are some extra options I would like to see on my wife too, but you can't just have it all. 8)
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I don't disagree with the concept of choice. There is choice between a Dlink router with options x and other brands of routers with options y or z. Your idea sounds nice, but it will make the D-link a mediocre NAS enabled router and a mediocre network router. Better to excel in one area than be mediocre on a few. There's a lot of mediocre stuff around.
There are some extra options I would like to see on my wife too, but you can't just have it all. 8)
Hehehe, very good point of view, although I donīt know your wife ;D
I think the best situation is: D-Link should never put this usb plug in router.... simple...
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So, what your saying is because this USB port doesn't do everything you want, that which it does is meaningless?
I am so glad your not the one that brought up a wife!
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So, what your saying is because this USB port doesn't do everything you want, that which it does is meaningless?
I am so glad your not the one that brought up a wife!
So is his wife I guess ;D
There are plenty other N devices around that do have a USB port for drives. Being pragmatic, just get one of those. And By the way, more and more ADSL modems have usb 2.0 for attaching drives, so that is also an option for some people who really don't want to get an Ethernet NAS.
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OR forget all that and change the boxing and documentation (which is really non existant with the product) on what the USB port is for (on the back of the box it mentions adding NAS (over ethernet i guess) but dont they all do that???).... at least then people know what is going on, leaving it this way only encourages more people to come and moan about it here (im one of them) if the box had clearly stated what it was for I would have probably bought another product (dlink of course!) but a much less powerful one (I only got it for a wireless AP and i thought the USB was for adding storage....)
anyways, i still feel slighted on the whole deal, better representation up front would have at least let me know whats what.... still not happy.... ???
and the 'they already explained it' doesnt cut it.... really, grow up and change the packaging and stop playing the bait and switch game....
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I hope you don't buy more products based only on the box and text on it. ???
We're discussing all this through the almighty internet, well known as an endless source of information. So I guess you might haven taken an effort to find out what you were buying. Or let a salesguy explain the technical details to you. If he doesn't do it right, blame the store and not the brand.
So yes, everybody's got a right to complain. But in this case you have been ignoring all other sources of information. Maybe they should forget about nice looking boxes and just print the manual on all sides...
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OR forget all that and change the boxing and documentation (which is really non existant with the product) on what the USB port is for (on the back of the box it mentions adding NAS (over ethernet i guess) but dont they all do that???).... at least then people know what is going on, leaving it this way only encourages more people to come and moan about it here (im one of them) if the box had clearly stated what it was for I would have probably bought another product (dlink of course!) but a much less powerful one (I only got it for a wireless AP and i thought the USB was for adding storage....)
anyways, i still feel slighted on the whole deal, better representation up front would have at least let me know whats what.... still not happy.... ???
and the 'they already explained it' doesnt cut it.... really, grow up and change the packaging and stop playing the bait and switch game....
I agree with you and already spoke the same.... Is NOT my function "graduate", "study one month" to choose a product... I have no time to study a lot about everything i wanna buy... thatīs is COMPANY function.... is only because of this we buy products that we belive in its BRAND.... and this explain why a company need to fight a lot to consolidat your BRAND in market.... sorry, my opinion and Iīm not happen with D-Link in this point... dir-655 was my last D-Link product by now....
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fgl30, I think your perception of the 'how the world works' is very one sided. The companies needs to provide information on their products. Marketing 'colors' this information, I have never heard a company say "I have a bad or incomplete product, please buy it". What is not explicitly mentioned just isn't there. I guess listing all the features it doesn't have is not really an option, don't you think?
As you stated, you "have no time to study a lot about everything i wanna buy". Philosophically speaking this is an incorrect statement; you just don't want to spend time on finding out. Since you have been quite active on this forum (which does take some considerable time) this indeed seems to be the case. Since you are only looking at the headlines, so to speak, you should not be surprised that the fineprint does not quite meet your expectations. And who's responsibility is that, who's making the choices here...?
I sincerely hope you do better when buying a house. Would be a shame if they sold you a barn instead of a villa only because the description said the property is big sized, has a roof, four sturdy walls and plenty of indoor space with wood decorations. :o
Note: I do not intend to offend you with my respons on your frustration (which could have been prevented by just getting some info before purchase), but please use the forum for questions that can be solved
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EddieZ:
First off I respect every single word you typed... I quite understand your point of view....
About my activity here, well I donīt do lots of research before buying something... but after, I wanna get the best of my devices... and I really like my DIR-655... even with deauthentication issue, no store usb link, when its working, it do it good.... even with fw disaster like 1.20.
About my house, no problem at all.... I already buy it... Itīs exactly what I need... big apartment... 300m2... duplex... very good for me and my family.... and dir-655 cover all area ;D.... but in fact I canīt compare an apartment with a router.... sorry but I donīt buy an apartment as I buy some device on internet...
Respect and regards
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The fact is we don't state what it will or wont do on the box for three reasons.
1) When the unit shipped initially it was a dead port. After firmware 1.01 the USB port was activated for WCN.
2) It allows us to print the boxes ONCE. SAVING you money in the long run.
3) allows us to add features to the unit and not be constrained by packageing issues.
The fact is the USB port on that unit can do what ever we want it to. In some respects you are correct, we don't have it act as a NAS because we sell NAS box's, not because we're trying to rip you off, because we want the products to do what their intended to do. I dare any one here to find a router on the market that costs 120.00 that has USB NAS that can perform up to par with this unit. You wont. Fact is by eliminating non-essential features it allows the code writers to focus on a single goal and do it well (sometimes).
(i know i know the 4500 has had problems, we think we've go that pegged).
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Thanks Lycan.
Respect and regards to all present here.
D-link has made a clear choice as to it's productportfolio and without compromising the quality they want to deliver. We can challenge them in this respect but as an IT management specialist I can say they are making the right choice here. Too many times I've seen my clients wanting to put too much goodies into one 'box', seriously affecting the stability of core functions and performance. And complain afterwards ofcourse ;)
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Here.
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=468.0
Should sum it up for everyone.
What about a print server then ? currenly the USB port serves pretty much no use.
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What about a print server then ? currenly the USB port serves pretty much no use.
The USB Port is just there for using Windows Connect Now (WCN). That's all its going to ever be. They are selling this a residential router and this is all it's meant to be. They have said there will be no change to the purpose of the port, so asking for all different things for its use is not going to happen.
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When you buy an Ethernet NAS you can hook up a printer though 8)
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Actaully, we're toying with idea of a PS, a USB relay device. Pretty trick stuff. Well we were before all the issues with the 4500. I don't have an ETA so please don't ask.
To tell you the truth, I wish it would just stay WCN. Didicated PS are always better, as long as they have the ability to spool.
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Maybe they should forget about nice looking boxes and just print the manual on all sides...
I agree, i dont need them telling me why theres is better (which is 1/4 of the box does on the back) with stupid things like its easier.... just give me the specs, if its better ill buy it... and yes, i walked in intending to get a Nintendo DS but walked out with a router, so .... my bad, should have looked... but then again, the USB is not mentioned on the outside of the box AT ALL!!! i only knew because i took a quick look on the web and saw it had one on the back, didnt really state Clearly what functions it supported (i saw it on tiger direct... and baught it at futureshop...)
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The fact is we don't state what it will or wont do on the box for three reasons.
1) When the unit shipped initially it was a dead port. After firmware 1.01 the USB port was activated for WCN.
2) It allows us to print the boxes ONCE. SAVING you money in the long run.
3) allows us to add features to the unit and not be constrained by packageing issues.
The fact is the USB port on that unit can do what ever we want it to. In some respects you are correct, we don't have it act as a NAS because we sell NAS box's, not because we're trying to rip you off, because we want the products to do what their intended to do. I dare any one here to find a router on the market that costs 120.00 that has USB NAS that can perform up to par with this unit. You wont. Fact is by eliminating non-essential features it allows the code writers to focus on a single goal and do it well (sometimes).
(i know i know the 4500 has had problems, we think we've go that pegged).
HHHmmm.... sounds alot like the MS line.... then say it on the box, if it was never going to be a NAS port just say that... you guys had already decided on that before it shipped anyways... 'constrained by pacakaging issues'??? like the truth.... geez... just sell them in white boxes then.... heck most people get rid of the boxes anyways (i keep mine..) and spend the money on adding USEFUL documentation....
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So you want them to list on the box what something is NOT going to be?
Its not going to be a toaster you want them to list that too?
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So you want them to list on the box what something is NOT going to be?
Its not going to be a toaster you want them to list that too?
please, donīt talk this way.... donīt get the man wrong.... I sure youīre smarter than that... if you see an USB port in a cellular what you think first: communication (USB wasnīt designed for that ::)... if you see an USB port in a camera what you think? Communication.... if you see an USB port in a digital TV receiver what you think? Communication.... if you see an USB port in a sound system what you think? Communication.... if you see an USB port in a printer what you think? Communication.... blablablabla... I could tell millions of devides .... www.everythingusb.com..... if you see an USB port in a router what you think FIRST? Before read manual... in fact in my country there are tons of i*iots selling DIR-655 with "print server"...
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Before I bought this router I did a lot of research on it including here :
http://www.dlink.com/products/resource.asp?pid=530&rid=2027&sec=1
Which clearly states what the USB port is being used for.
I don't want to sound negative, I guess I am just tired of seeing posts asking for something when it has clearly been said that it is not going to happen.
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The unit are not of our design. They're a platform developed by Ubicom. We have no say in whats actaully connected to the board.
As for the WCN, that was a implementation to meet WiFi certs.
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WHS?
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WHS?
Windows Home Server
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please, donīt talk this way.... donīt get the man wrong.... I sure youīre smarter than that... if you see an USB port in a cellular what you think first: communication (USB wasnīt designed for that ::)... if you see an USB port in a camera what you think? Communication.... if you see an USB port in a digital TV receiver what you think? Communication.... if you see an USB port in a sound system what you think? Communication.... if you see an USB port in a printer what you think? Communication.... blablablabla... I could tell millions of devides .... www.everythingusb.com..... if you see an USB port in a router what you think FIRST? Before read manual... in fact in my country there are tons of i*iots selling DIR-655 with "print server"...
Dear fgl30,
Let it go....just let it go.
What country are you from? Close enough for the Russian army to intervene and catch those silly salespeople... ;) Why blame DLink for that?
The USB port on the DIR655 is used for...communication! It is a very broad concept, communication. That's why you need to establish that everybody is talking about the same interpretation of communication.
So please let it go...they will not change their policy because somebody keeps nagging about it. Capice?
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LOL!
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Dear fgl30,
Let it go....just let it go.
What country are you from? Close enough for the Russian army to intervene and catch those silly salespeople... ;) Why blame DLink for that?
The USB port on the DIR655 is used for...communication! It is a very broad concept, communication. That's why you need to establish that everybody is talking about the same interpretation of communication.
So please let it go...they will not change their policy because somebody keeps nagging about it. Capice?
Capito. In fact I let it go ages ago..... I donīt care anymore (and never expected they would put USB to work)... nor even will post here anymore 8) Letīs go forward.... Now Iīm expecting 1.20 work (this will happen????), and thatīs all.... my router is not more than a access point to me... nothing more..... BTW Iīm from Brasil... far way from Russia ;D
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Locking Topic.
(finally says Fatman).