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The Graveyard - Products No Longer Supported => Routers / COVR => DGL-4500 => Topic started by: Manta on June 29, 2010, 02:02:00 AM
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Hi
I have read over some posts in the forum but because i am such a newb when it comes to routers i am lost. Basically i have a motorola cable modem hooked up to my 4500. It was sending wireless media to my PS3 with no problems but now does not want to work. Also any downloads via the ps3 are so slow
Is there an newb guide to setting one of these 4500 up for a ps3 to stream media and gaming etc?
Also i have noticed this
Sent :40784691
TX Packets Dropped :0
Received :25622926
RX Packets Dropped :12
Errors :932697
any help appreciated
Cheers
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What FW is currently loaded? Have you powered off the 4500 and cable modem? Have you tried a reset on the 4500? What wireless mode are you using? What band?
Can also try this post here too.
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=13109.0 (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=13109.0)
I would also take a look at the Gaming and Gamefuel sticky. Has good info for wireless.
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Hi
Thanks for the info, not sure what FW is? I found the rebot option for the 4500 last night and also applied the gaming rule in the post you mentioned and it worked for a while and then laged up again.
In relation to the band I am using Mixed 802.11n, 802.11g and 802.11b
cheers
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FW is firmware, sorry. What happens if you switch to a single mode and use G only at 2.4Ghz?
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Firmware is the latest one from the website as i made it update it self. I will try single mode with G only but will this effect any other devices such as a Wii, Iphone, laptop etc?
CHeers
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Hey Manta
I would suggest you connect via Ethernet since it would be so much better especially when it has to do with you having lag. Manta also wireless band G is compatible with almost every wireless device. If you have anymore question please don't hesitate to ask ty.Cya
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Chris
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Yeah want to go ethernet but it means running a cable from basically one end of the house to the other end via the roof. Also good to know about the G band and will give that a go now
Thanks again for all of the advice
Cheers
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Still no joy but i did do a ping test, does this look ok?
Response from 199.***** received in 167 milliseconds. TTL = 95
User stopped
Pings sent: 12
Pings received: 12
Pings lost: 0 (0% loss)
Shortest ping time (in milliseconds): 166
Longest ping time (in milliseconds): 180
Average ping time (in milliseconds): 168
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that does not look great, but it doesn't suck, try reserving the IP of your ps3 and then set it up for DMZ, i do that for mine and it works great.
in router setup, go to "Advanced" then in the list on the left click "Firewall" and then check "Enable DMZ"
then choose the IP used by your PS3, best to reserve the PS3's IP first that way when ever you shut it off and start it back up it isn't using a new IP that isn't DMZ'ed.
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Ok i just tried to download a demo and it took hours to get to 1 per cent, I think something is really wrong with the router.
I am sooooooooooooooooo lost
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If you're on the complete opposite end of a house that could be a bit too much for wireless, depending on how many walls and what they're made of. I use my PS3 wireless G connection from one room over from the 4500 and its no different than using ethernet. Is there anyway you can move it around just for test purposes?
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you sure you didn't unlock the ports for the PS3? The method I described above is all the same, just it opens everything up for the PS3.
By the way, i set my DGL-4500 to do the Self update thing, and it never did, you might want to look into that, a few things were screwy with the older FW's.
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OK nothing is working with this 4500 and i am about to throw it, does this look correct
Mode Rate (Mbps) Signal (%)
802.11g 1 34
802.11g 18 54
I have no idea why it is so slow with the PS3 - I am not sure how this is a gaming router at the moment, hopefully it is just a setting but I have spent days on this with no luck what so ever
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I think its your wireless signal levels. Those rates set by your router based on a number of factors, but mostly the quality of wireless connection between your router and the client. You can have the best settings in the world, but at the end of the day, were still talking about RF and it can be degrated by the same things that degrade cellular and cordless phones.
Found this on Wiki. Can help you perhaps calculate your rates. Ifs for G only, which I assume your using. Its also best case/hypothetical. Anyone know the broadcast levels of a DGL? I couldnt find it.
Mbps Type PER dBm
54 OFDM 10% -68
48 OFDM 10% -68
36 OFDM 10% -75
24 OFDM 10% -79
18 OFDM 10% -82
12 OFDM 10% -84
11 CCK 8% -82
9 OFDM 10% -87
6 OFDM 10% -88
5.5 CCK 8% -85
2 QPSK 8% -86
1 BPSK 8% -89
Attenuation Properties of Common Building Materials
Building Material 2.4 GHz Attenuation
Solid Wood Door 1.75" 6 dB
Hollow Wood Door 1.75" 4 dB
Interior Office Door w/Window 1.75"/0.5" 4 dB
Steel Fire/Exit Door 1.75" 13 dB
Steel Fire/Exit Door 2.5" 19 dB
Steel Rollup Door 1.5" 11 dB
Brick 3.5" 6 dB
Concrete Wall 18" 18 dB
Cubical Wall (Fabric) 2.25" 18 dB
Exterior Concrete Wall 27" 53 dB
Glass Divider 0.5" 12 dB
Interior Hollow Wall 4" 5 dB
Interior Hollow Wall 6" 9 dB
Interior Solid Wall 5" 14 dB
Marble 2" 6 dB
Bullet-Proof Glass 1" 10 dB
Exterior Double Pane Coated Glass 1" 13 dB
Exterior Single Pane Window 0.5" 7 dB
Interior Office Window 1" 3 dB
Safety Glass-Wire 0.25" 3 dB
Safety Glass-Wire 1.0" 13 dB
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Hmm well i might run a cable and see how that goes, any issues if I run a 50 meter network cable? (I think i only need around 53meters but will play it safe
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Max is about 91 meters for Ethernet so that shouldnt be a problem for connectivity. At half a foot ball field though, Im curious what your set up is. That would explain the lack of signal and connection rate. It feels like more and more people are using the DGL for buisness applications.
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I'm having a problem getting my PS3 to connect to the playstation network. Every time I do a connection test it fails at PSN. I have a static IP for the PS3, and have it on DMZ, but I keep getting this [INFO] message in the log.
Blocked outgoing ICMP packet (ICMP type 3) from (PS3 IP) to (array of PSN IPs)
I understand what the message means but no idea why even with it in DMZ that it gets blocked.
Help would be greatly appreciated.
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I would review the link and see if this helps:
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=13109.0 (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=13109.0)
Also review the Gaming and Gamefuel sticky at the top of this forum for additional info. You don't have to use the DMZ and should need to. Once the IP is reserved and GameFuel is setup, you should be good to go. Lets us know how it goes.
I'm having a problem getting my PS3 to connect to the playstation network. Every time I do a connection test it fails at PSN. I have a static IP for the PS3, and have it on DMZ, but I keep getting this [INFO] message in the log.
Blocked outgoing ICMP packet (ICMP type 3) from (PS3 IP) to (array of PSN IPs)
I understand what the message means but no idea why even with it in DMZ that it gets blocked.
Help would be greatly appreciated.
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I've gone through it before, and have just tried it again. Although the ICMP log is gone, still no connection with PSN, which seems very odd.
(SID): Wireless system with MAC address (PS3 MAC) secured and linked
(SID): Wireless system with MAC address (PS3 MAC) associated
These are the only logs for the PS3 I receive now.
My current setup is
PS3 has DHCP reservation
Game fuel has rule with PS3 priority 1, covers entire remote IP range, and protocol/port range is any
Ports redirected in Gaming to PS3; TCP: 80, 443, 5223 - and UDP: 3478, 3479, 3658 (tried with and with out this)
Thanks
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What happen if you use 0 and 65535 on the ports? This i what I'm using for XBL. Also wha is your Firewall gettings set too? I recommend trying EndPoint Independent for both UDP and TCP.
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ICMP has nothing to do with traffic. Its mostly used for testing of the network. Like echo location for computers. There is a glitch with D-link and ICMP though, but to my knowledge it has no effect on gaming.
I am curios though what you mean by "entire remote IP range". Why do you even have Game fuel rules on? Game fuel only increases the priority certian traffic has on the network in regards to other traffic. Think of it like the Speedpass you put on your car for toll boothes? It does nothing to increase the speed of the car overall. It can be useful if you have 3-4 people using the internet at the same time, but your having a problem with connecting at all. Plus, is this wireless or wired? I am getting this confused with the OP
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What happen if you use 0 and 65535 on the ports? This i what I'm using for XBL. Also wha is your Firewall gettings set too? I recommend trying EndPoint Independent for both UDP and TCP.
Tried 0-65535, still didn't work. I've already put the TCP/UDP on EndPoint Independent, everything else in Firewall is default.
ICMP has nothing to do with traffic. Its mostly used for testing of the network. Like echo location for computers. There is a glitch with D-link and ICMP though, but to my knowledge it has no effect on gaming.
I am curios though what you mean by "entire remote IP range". Why do you even have Game fuel rules on? Game fuel only increases the priority certian traffic has on the network in regards to other traffic. Think of it like the Speedpass you put on your car for toll boothes? It does nothing to increase the speed of the car overall. It can be useful if you have 3-4 people using the internet at the same time, but your having a problem with connecting at all. Plus, is this wireless or wired? I am getting this confused with the OP
As far as the remote IP range, I mean 0.0.0.0 - 255.255.255.255. Since it seems kinda glitchy I'm pretty much looking for working settings in order to get mine working and see where I can go from that. Prime example is haveing my PS3 on DMZ and it not connecting with PSN, since it can connect to the web but not PSN the only explanation I can think of is blocked ports. It's working off wireless.
Thanks
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Send a PM to LookInToMyEyes or Trikein ;D. I knowthey have a PS3 I think and has theirs working great.
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Mine is working great too. To be honest though, there isn't much that you should have to do. The router has UPnP, which should take care of most of the port issues. I have connected with all combonations of the firewall, Gamefuel on and off, Normal and advanced DNS, etc. I have connected to the PSN when at stock, out of the box. Most of the advanced configure is for Game types, performance, game Mic, and so on.
What error do you get when you can't connect? Have you tried connecting direct to the modem? Can you connect then? Have you tried resetting everything to default? Just feels like where over thinking this one.
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What error do you get when you can't connect? Have you tried connecting direct to the modem? Can you connect then? Have you tried resetting everything to default? Just feels like where over thinking this one.
Well, the PS3 pretty much says check my network connection, and the 4500 doesn't tell me much. I'm replacing an old linksys that the PS3 has worked fine with for over a year. I've done the default settings 3x now, i've tried with firmware straight out of the box, then tried with updated 1.22NA. It's very strange I cant think of a reason for this to be happening. I'm probably going to return it, i've been trying to fix it for a week now.
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Reseting router to factory and trying right now. Please standby
Yup, Reset to factory running 1.22NA. Wired connection. Did a "Easy" configure of Internet Connection settings with the fallowing results.
Obtain IP Succeeded
Internet Connection Succeeded
Playstation Network Succeeded
UPnP Available
NAT Type Type 2
Connection Speed(Download) 18.1Mbps
Connection Speed(Upload) 4.3Mbps
Did a manual config to do wireless test too, all with default settings, and got the same results with a little bit slower speeds. So have you tried bypassing the router and going direct into the modem? If that works, have you tried using all default settings on the PS3? If PS3 won't even connect direct to modem with default settings, when PC will, call Sony. If it won't on factory standard settings, and default settings on router, on a wired connection to router, but will to the modem, RMA that bad boy. Good luck.
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Hey Guys.
Trikein is right game fuel won't solve the issues it can only improve speed over other devices. I never really like helping people who are on wireless because of this. Most people that use the ps3 over wireless seems to encounter a lot of issues. Only thing I got to say is try to factory reset your router try connecting the ps3 directly to the modem and see what you get. Basically what Trikein said. Good luck. Always remember gaming is always better via Ethernet cable. Trikein whats your PSN?...
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Chris
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Hmm..considering I have the name Trikein on about 16 domains...take a wild guess? ::grin::
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Thanks for the help, but I've given up on it. I've reset again and just put in my username and pass for my ISP, still wouldn't connect to PSN. I've packed it up to return for refund and will probably get the E3000 from cisco. It seems like it has most of the same functions as the 4500. Anyways, again thanks for the help!
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Wait, so this is DSL with PPPoE? That changes everything, and you never mentioned this. By default, the router is DHCP. Not only does this mean the router has to be specifically configured, but so does the PS3 and the modem. I can help if you want, or not. Either way, your going to bump into the same problems with any router. Just let me know, but I make no promises, since a wireless connection through a router with PPPoE to a DSL modem/router AG is some pretty tricky stuff. Its hard to troubleshoot remotely, as your finding out.
And linksys..really? Well their not bad if you remove all traces of software and firmware...or basically everything that makes it a linksys. The CD should make the set up easier though, just stay miles away from their Network "Magic".
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Might have the same issue with a different router if your using DSL and PPPoE. I've seen this before, the router needs to be setup well if your using DSL. The DSL modem you have probably has a router built in and thus is not allowing for proper NAT translation. The DSL modem needs to be bridged so that the 4500 or any other router you connect with it will get the public IP address from the ISP WAN side. This will allow the router to properly NAT the connections and get connected to gaming services. I bet your DSL modem is handing off a private 192.168 address to the WAN side of the 4500. This will get you internet however specific services like gaming will not be connected since he can't get thru to the public IP address. I have helped set up several DSL modems like this that use PPPoE and have the router built in. All you have to do is call the ISP and tell them that you have your own router that you want to use and to bridge the DSL modem to the router. It works, trust me. You need to do this with any router you attach to a DSL modem that has a built in router function.
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As a altnerate option, you could get a ADSL modem/wireless router combo. The generally suck, but it would be easier to set up. Furry is right though, if you get a 192 IP when connected directly to your router, I bet 100 magic unicorns thats your problem.
BTW..whats the exchange rate on magic unicorns these days? So horrible with math. Heh
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I fluncked math too. :P