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The Graveyard - Products No Longer Supported => Routers / COVR => DGL-4500 => Topic started by: Kalmicon on November 02, 2010, 01:28:59 PM
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I am a little confused after reading the sticky for the Xbox 360 setup. Since our Xbox is connected by wireless do I need to add a game fuel rule to give the Xbox priority on the network ? We are connected and XBL works fine but if I use my wireless laptop at the same time my son plays XBL he gets lag killed sometimes and being the competitive kid that he is this is a problem for dear old dad when I use my laptop.
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After reading what you wrote I have concluded that it is best for you to add a WISH rules. This will ensure that the Xbox gets priority over the laptop thus giving your son a better game experience. Just go straight ahead and add the game fuel.
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This does not usually happen but I did an error. thanks Trikein. It is not Game Fuel it is WISH I did not noticed his Xbox 360 was wireless and his laptop was also wireless. Thought his Xbox was wired and his laptop was wireless. Oh well us humans are not perfect.
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Chris
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Out of curiosity, what kind of performance perks do you get of gamefuel vs WISH? I think Gamefuel might be from LAN(Router) to WAN(Modem) and WISH might be for wireless client LAN(Laptop,PS3,etc) to wireless host LAN(router). If so, and if you find you get lag when you start a wireless laptop while the wireless 360 is on, then I would suggest WISH. If you get lag when you start ANY computer while the 360 is on, Gamefuel is probably more important. JMHO.
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My post has been updated! If you need help setting up WISH for the xbox 360 just take a look at this guide. http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=10435.0
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Chris
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Well I was posting as much as a question then a correction. :)
Because if both are wireless, and the bottleneck is still between the LAN and WAN then your orginal statement is correct. Also, I have never used WISH, because all my gaming platforms are wired, so I don't have any experience with it. Does it work well? I might be getting a GoogleTV which will be on wireless and streaming video, so it could be something relevent to my interest soon. ;D
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I don't use WISH just because everything I game on is wired. So I am used to saying Game fuel all the time. Yea his problems are wish related. But I was also thinking the same thing as you what happens if we add the rule as a game fuel instead of Wish would it still work? Because we would still have to add his static wireless IP to the game fuel rule xD!
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Chris
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Maybe I should try setting up a wish rule that is the same as the game fuel rule ? Has anyone tried that for a wireless connection to their Xbox ? I have always had wish enabled with the default settings for http and windows media center checked and we have the lag problem once in awhile with the router set up like that.
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That sticky I made up is based on a friend of mine who has 3 boxes on his router, 2 wired and one wireless. He's been happy ever since. Those settings work great. I have WISH disabled as well has my friend. We both play games and watch movies on netflix. You may need to add a rule for the latop as well in game fuel and prioritize it much lower than the wireless xbox. What wireless mode are you running Mixed or Single mode?
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I am running mixed as my laptop is on 5ghz and the Xbox is on 2.4ghz but the laptop will support a 2.4ghz connection if need be. The lag problem only happens on occasion and we have no problem with the mixed mode otherwise. We had the 4500 set up single mode and it seems to perform better in mixed mode on XBL while using the laptop at the same time, but my son and I maybe mistaken as we are not wireless network experts. We are on FW v 1.14.
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I would try Single mode G at 2.4Ghz first with the Xbox and router. Thats what my buddy found to be the most stable for his kids box thats on WiFi.
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I have tried the single mode set up but as my son just reminded me we had far more issues in that mode with XBL disconnect then we do now. I am going to play around with adding a wish rule and if I find something that works better for us I will post my results. Thanks for everyone's help.
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Which adapter is he using to connect wirelessly? If its G, then G only should work better, not worst. Odd. And 5Ghz is really only good if you networking two wireless PC's together, since it effects range so much and doesn't otherwise improve the connection more then the bottle neck at the modem. JMHO
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It is a A/B/G adapter on the Xbox and it is now connected in 802.11a. Shows a three bar connection on the xbox network settings page in either mixed or single mode. Both the laptop and the Xbox are in pretty close proximatiy to the router so range is not an issue. My laptop connects at 270-300 mps and the Xbox achieves 54 mps in mixed mode with the setup we have right now. My laptop would see 150-162 mbps tops in single mode.
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But to connect at A it has to be at 5Ghz. So how can the 360 connect at 2.4Ghz and A? A is only mode of the 5Ghz band. And the router can only broadcast at one band at a time, so how can your laptop be connected at 5Ghz and your 360 at 2.4? So I am not sure how what you say can be true. Could you explain?
As for performance, 5Ghz has less range then 2.4ghz. Rule of thumb is the shorter the wave length, the less the distant. One of the reason AM radio has so little range. Now where 5ghz shines is it is outside the interference of other 2.5ghz systems. This includes some cell phones, some cordless phones, and other wireless network. So if your getting more range on 5Ghz on A, then your 2.4Ghz is probably very congested. A has huge down falls though. Not only does it not have the support for alot of the interference avoiding system G has, but it maxes out at 54Mbps. And even when connected at that rate, when you have signal problems, I have seen actual through put dwindle to 1-2Mbps.
So I would still suggest G and N at 2.4Ghz and make sure Auto Scan is on for the channel. If you see that the 360 gets random disconnects though, try setting it to a manual channel and play around with it until you find one with the most signal strength. Also, you may want to try enabling "Extra wireless protection" Under "Advanced Wireless". Cuts out the interference you would from other B networks in your area.
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My mistake as the Xbox must be connecting at 5ghz on 801.11a as that is what is reported on the router statistics page. I will give your suggested G and N @ 2.4ghz settings a try and see how they work out. How much do you think this will affect the connection speed of my laptop ?
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Well the connection rate (not to be confused with speed) doesn't really matter that much unless your transfering files from one computer to your laptop. If your just talking about internet speed, almost no effect what so ever, as long as the connection rate is higher then the download speeds given by your ISP. Now if you do network your computers together, and your laptop was connecting at 5ghz N then your transfer rate (from 1 PC to another) will probably drop by half. But its hard to say. Its really important though that you look past your connection rate. Its like comparing RPM of cars, usually meaningless unless you have very specific needs.
With that said, and if those are your needs, you may either want to:
1. Look into making one of the connection wired.
2. Buying a ethernet wireless adapter for the 360 that can connect at 5Ghz N. Dlink doesn't have anything that offers that, but maybe the WGA600N (https://homesupport.cisco.com/en-us/wireless/lbc/WGA600N). That wouldnt be supported by this forum ofcourse. :-)
3. Buying a router that can do 2.4 and 5Ghz at the same time. The only model Dlink makes is the DIR-855 (http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=548).
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I doubt you would notice any difference. Yes the connection speed changes and you'll only get 130Mb however actual xfer speed just depends on the signal strength and quality and distance. I actually run 2.4Ghz mostly as the 5Ghz is inherently bad for distances with walls, doors and the like in between. 5Ghz is a high frequency and in proan to interference from obstacles. It best works in Line of Site with out any obstructions or if your one room next door close with only one wall will work ok. Like I have with my office and bed room next door. :P
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Switched it over to G and N @ 2.4ghz and I don't see any internet speed difference on my laptop like you guys said, showing 130mbps for the laptop connection now. Moms home now so we will have to test the XBL a little later but the Xbox has 25% stronger signal strength that we can see already. Thanks again guys.
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Good to hear...should be better. Make sure you have the XBL on game fuel settings as well. I don't think its going to make a difference if you set up A wish rule for anything unless you need to be streaming video over WiFi to the LT. I think my buddy has his disabled as well and he has a LT and PC on the same system. Let us know how it goes.
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My boy got to use the Xbox tonight and tells me he thinks our XBL connection is working the best it ever has !!! I have the 4500 set to the sticky settings with the exception of mixed mode G and N @ 2.4ghz. I think disabling wish and using the game fuel rule is a real good idea for getting the best XBL performance. Thanks again for everyone's help and suggestions. 8)
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Good to hear the news and should work well for you. My buddy and his son play well using those settings. Actually played with them last night and they were on at the same time. Have a great weekend and have fun.