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The Graveyard - Products No Longer Supported => Routers / COVR => DIR-655 => Topic started by: Ixus74 on September 16, 2008, 02:57:45 AM
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Hi,
I, ve just got my DIR-655 (FW 1.11) and I have one big issue with it, it can't have static routes to the LAN interface. So I have upgraded to FW 1.20, but it has the same limitation.
I've got a VPN (PPTP) gateway on my LAN that serves a specific subnet. Since the DIR-655 is my main router (default gateway), I want it to route traffic for this subnet to the VPN gateway. How can this be done without static routing to the LAN interface?
By the way it really should be fixed in a new firmware, because it's an essential networking feature.
TIA , Ixus.
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That unit no longer supports Lan to Lan routes.
The DGL-4500 is the only unit we have that does that.
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That's rubbish, allmost all other routers from allmost all other vendors support that feature. Why are these things called routers?
Is it possible to reintroduce this feature, because for me a router is worthless if can't route properly.
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The creation of static LAN routes is reserved for the DGL-4500.
I'm attempting to add it to the DIR-855 but there are no plans to add this feature to the DIR-655.
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Lycan,
I have to agree with Ixus74 - the ability to add a static route to the LAN interface of the router (pointing inward to a LAN VPN server for example) is not, and should not be a "reserved" feature for any router that D-Link produces. Apparently this ability was removed from the more recent firmware versions for the DIR series - if the word on the web is any indication.
I also agree that every other company that produces routers supports this feature (Linksys, Netgear). I recently purchased the DIR-625 model. If I can't find a firmware version that actually does this - I'm going to return it for a refund. Might be worth considering adding this "reserved" feature to even the baseline models - can't be that hard if everyone else is doing it.
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Lycan, I guess the question "why remove it" might need some elaboration from the PM people. Reserving the feature for the other model only seems only logical if it is a way of promoting other (more expensive) products for these tasks (although I must agree it is a basic task for a router, even a HOME router). If so just let them (D-Link) say so. Unless they've anticipated that this would cause a lot of commotion and will not admit to this. In that hypothetical situation they should question their strategy...In the long run these hidden tactics never work. But that's only a assumption based on a hypothetical situation ofcourse. :)
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1) I agree.
2) There's nothing that can be done about it.
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1) I agree.
2) There's nothing that can be done about it.
1. Thanks
2. Well, product management could demonstrate some perestroika
(Under 25? -> Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perestroika)
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Unlikely, however, since the 655 is aging and now the senior of our N line I'm sure moving forward this will be a standardized feature. So there's that.............yea.
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Unlikely, however, since the 655 is aging and now the senior of our N line I'm sure moving forward this will be a standardized feature. So there's that.............yea.
About time a better firmware would be availabe, wouldn't you say? Before it becomes EOL (if I read closely...).
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again,
1) I agree.
2) Not much I can do about that. There is something in the works, whether it allows Lan to Lan routes, I don't know. (but i strongly doubt it).
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Really disappointing...
And I thought firmware upgrades were suppose to add functionality... Silly Me
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So what guaruntee from dlink is there that they will just not take a routing feature away from a router in the future in order to move new product? i.e. If I buy the DGL-4500, whats to say you just wait until the new product line for it comes out and fix remaining bugs but remove basic functionality? I liked the 655, but as for brand loyalty, this has convinced me I need to find another vendor.
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Lycan mentions the feature is becoming a "standard" in the Upper Crust of D-Link's home class devices.
My guess is it was done to emphasize the line between the "classes" of the home class products.
The 655 was the bad boy on the block for a long time running, some (inc. myself) consider it to be a superior product because if it's long track record of reliability and feature sets. I know they've had extensive issues with some of the higher end products, but I've used the DIR-825 and that is a solid unit.
The 655 (rev A1/2) were blessed with the very stable IP5060-Nat and a high end business class switch CPU by Vitesse. When these parts were no longer available they switched to a higher end NAT from Ubicom and a Realtek switch with matched performance. This has caused them some trouble with the Kernel for the IPos on the higher end DGL/DIR models. It appears to be resolved or close to it anyway.
That being said, I can only assume D-Link is trying to create better products, but when something like the 655 keeps people from trying them because of it's extended features, high-end performance and price point what allure do the other products have.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. But I DIDN'T. ;)
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This is silly!
LAN routes added before firmware "upgrade" still works fine so the functionality is still there.
I would really love to hear the strategic meeting when this decision was taken... "Oh, I've got the greatest idea!! Let's remove some features from this router, so our customers can go and buy a new improved version from us.. $$$" :-X
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why did you upgrade the firmware?
Also there is a FAQ with a change log for the firmware versions.
http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=3287
As you can see the static routing was removed a long time ago.
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It has come to my experience that firmware upgrades usually improves the performance of a device. When reading changelogs they most often say things like "fixed", "improved", "added", "pached" and so on...
That FAQ you have linked to doesn't say anything about that you have removed LAN routing from the device. Could you please quote the line that says that you have removed it?
1. FW 1.10 - Removes ALG functionality.
2. FW 1.11 - Removed the support of 802.11d.
3. FW 1.21 - Remove Enhanced IGMP Proxy GUI
Ok, LAN routes aren't used by all people, but they are often used by persons skilled in this area. And those are the people that quite a lot gets questions regarding what product to buy etc.
I have been a loyal dlink customer for a couple of years now and I have been recommending your products to people asking me what they should be using when setting up their home offices, and I guess that so have they within their network.
These things spread like rings on water.
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I agree, this feature needs to be in this router. This is the most basic feature. The only reason I can think of for removing a feature like this would be to save memory, but static routing can't possibly save much on that, can it?
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bah it's business malpractice. D-link couldn't make a better product so they cripple their existing products to make their "new" line of products superior. it's all an illusion.
.. but hey business as usual. :P
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Your correct, for the price point the DIR655 was the superior product. It still is. however we removed the static routing because at that time the person in charge deemed that having that type of functionailty would encurage people to use this router in buisness applications instead of the proper equipment. So it was removed.
A year later it was added back in to new models including the 4500 and the 855. It wasn't done to drive sales to other products, it was done so that people wouldn't try to use this device for things we didn't intend it for.
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What i'm getting out of that, is bad product planning for the dir-655. As well from what you had stated the dgl series are not business gateways either, so I wonder how it's warranted other than to make the DGL series appear more appealing. Sorry, i'm just <i>trying</i> to be the devils advocate. I love my 655 for the time being, but I can see how some people can be a little upset over the change if functionality was there. I suppose the only way to grandfather the functionality would be to downgrade and then incur all the bugs and less enhancements that have been made over time.
... or of course, purchase the DGL-4500, which seems like a nice gateway anyway! except for the fact that I don't think it has simutaneous dual band functionality, so one would think to go with the dir-825, but that one doesn't have lan routing either!
So the only way to get the best of both worlds, so that you can separate your gaming devices, from home comptuers, business computers, and entertainment systems? Spend 500+ and a 5Ghz access point to wire to your new enterprise router. Wow!
That solution is expensive, but of course, at least for me, a lot of fun! Hardware vendors and manufactures (not just d-link) need to realise that the technology in-home is changing at a rapid rate, and so are the needs of the house hold.
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ti has nothing to do with how the product was planed. It's all because of the versatility of the platform of the 655.
Which is the base platform for the 4500 and the 855.
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http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=6422.0
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bah it's business malpractice. D-link couldn't make a better product so they cripple their existing products to make their "new" line of products superior. it's all an illusion.
.. but hey business as usual. :P
Yep, that's what happens when 'making money' becomes the most important thing, dude. Capitalism a good thing?
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Yep, that's what happens when 'making money' becomes the most important thing, dude. Capitalism a good thing?
I my opinion, you bet it is. It's what enables anyone of us to buy whatever router we want if we think D-Link sells an inferior product. Market forces are a huge incentive for invention and innovation as opposed to every router company being owned by the government which would then give the consumer the ability to choose betweeen Router-X and, and, the same router. And if you don't happen to like that router, better look to another country because your complaints will fall not on deaf ears, but NO ears. If D-Link makes and continues to make crummy products they WILL go out of business. I won't buy their Ethernet over Powerline adapters. I bought 6 of them and everyone of them died within 6 months. If I was dissatisfied with my DIR-655 I would shelve it and buy from someone else. I've had nothing but good expericences with D-Link's routers so I keep buying them. On the other hand, SlingMedia got my Ethernet over Powerline business. That's Capitalism in a nutshell.
Alrighty then. I believe that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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I my opinion, you bet it is. It's what enables anyone of us to buy whatever router we want if we think D-Link sells an inferior product. Market forces are a huge incentive for invention and innovation as opposed to every router company being owned by the government which would then give the consumer the ability to choose betweeen Router-X and, and, the same router. And if you don't happen to like that router, better look to another country because your complaints will fall not on deaf ears, but NO ears. If D-Link makes and continues to make crummy products they WILL go out of business. I won't buy their Ethernet over Powerline adapters. I bought 6 of them and everyone of them died within 6 months. If I was dissatisfied with my DIR-655 I would shelve it and buy from someone else. I've had nothing but good expericences with D-Link's routers so I keep buying them. On the other hand, SlingMedia got my Ethernet over Powerline business. That's Capitalism in a nutshell.
Alrighty then. I believe that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Hmmm...it enables some to buy any router they want. You might want to do some more thinking on basic capitalism. Or end up at the wrong end of capitalism (which is also very likely).
And capitalism does not, in itself, put an incentive on innovation and invention. If so, we would be using solar power and driving emission less cars. It's capitalism that keeps those innovations away from the public because there is still too much money to be made with polluting fuels.
But you're right, completely offtopic. :)
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Some would argue that both paths are profitable, it is a mixture of insight and foresight that makes such changes profitable. Weigh those values against the human reluctance against change and the equation balances out nicely.
Offtopic, que???
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Some would argue that both paths are profitable, it is a mixture of insight and foresight that makes such changes profitable. Weigh those values against the human reluctance against change and the equation balances out nicely.
Offtopic, que???
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Well, looking at the state of mother nature humans do not really excel in foresight and insight...having a superior brain does not guarantee the best overall choices to be made.
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Well, looking at the state of mother nature humans do not really excel in foresight and insight...having a superior brain does not guarantee the best overall choices to be made.
Mother nature does not care one way or the other. Mother nature could care less if all life disappeared tomorrow. Humans are the ones that would have the problem. That is why all of this "save the planet" stuff is bogus. The gasses we produce are but a lifted cheek compared to what the planet has seen throughout time immemorial. If all animal species died tonight, more would come to take their place. The planet doesn't need saving. It is us that needs saving from ourselves. A 10 kilometer diameter rock from space would bring a little perspective to the climate debate.
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Mother nature does not care one way or the other. Mother nature could care less if all life disappeared tomorrow. Humans are the ones that would have the problem. That is why all of this "save the planet" stuff is bogus. The gasses we produce are but a lifted cheek compared to what the planet has seen throughout time immemorial. If all animal species died tonight, more would come to take their place. The planet doesn't need saving. It is us that needs saving from ourselves. A 10 kilometer diameter rock from space would bring a little perspective to the climate debate.
And saving the planet equals saving ourselves. How about that?
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Agree with you but watch out(sensitive territory), in the past I kept reminding 'L' that I could't find this in the changelog and that I didn't get an answer from him. Eventually(after 3 times) people began using the 'TROLL'-word.
It has come to my experience that firmware upgrades usually improves the performance of a device. When reading changelogs they most often say things like "fixed", "improved", "added", "pached" and so on...
That FAQ you have linked to doesn't say anything about that you have removed LAN routing from the device. Could you please quote the line that says that you have removed it?
1. FW 1.10 - Removes ALG functionality.
2. FW 1.11 - Removed the support of 802.11d.
3. FW 1.21 - Remove Enhanced IGMP Proxy GUI
Ok, LAN routes aren't used by all people, but they are often used by persons skilled in this area. And those are the people that quite a lot gets questions regarding what product to buy etc.
I have been a loyal dlink customer for a couple of years now and I have been recommending your products to people asking me what they should be using when setting up their home offices, and I guess that so have they within their network.
These things spread like rings on water.
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Well, looking at the state of mother nature humans do not really excel in foresight and insight...having a superior brain does not guarantee the best overall choices to be made.
My point exactly, we don't make the change because we have not been forced to overcome the fear of change and utilize the insight and foresight which would provide the better answers. That superior brain provides the impetus of laziness here as well as the ability to think our way out of danger (so far).
And saving the planet equals saving ourselves. How about that?
Isn't the first mandate survival of the species?
A 10 kilometer diameter rock from space would bring a little perspective to the climate debate.
Just what every single man fears a 10K rock destroying his environment! There goes my bachelor pad!
Offtopic????
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Just what every single man fears a 10K rock destroying his environment! There goes my bachelor pad!
Fatman, fear not, your tinfoil hat will protect you!
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Fatman, fear not, your tinfoil hat will protect you!
And here I thought that birth control glasses would have been more effective!
Last time I wore a tinfoil hat to work (Why can I say that phrase truthfully?) it didn't last long. Apparently it gives a bad impression. Whoodathunkit?
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And here I thought that birth control glasses would have been more effective!
Last time I wore a tinfoil hat to work (Why can I say that phrase truthfully?) it didn't last long. Apparently it gives a bad impression. Whoodathunkit?
*** Modified by Fatman, who never learned to proofread his posts before he hit the "Post" button.
Fatman, you just provided me with the laugh of the day. Maybe the week. Birth control glasses - that is a concept I am unfamiliar with. Do they work??? Are they anything like X-Ray glasses? (They DO work, so I've been told)
Profound apologies to PeterJvM who is trying to put this thread back on the tracks.
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I was hoping that would be one you got, oh well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GI_glasses
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I had no illusions about that.
Since people already know I got derailed myself(by the first rays of the risıng sun).
Profound apologies to PeterJvM who is trying to put this thread back on the tracks.
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To speak to the topic at hand is actually quite simple.
Currently D-Link does not allow it.
Your request has been noted, but we can do nothing further for you here than to provide camaraderie (or distraction).
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I was hoping that would be one you got, oh well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GI_glasses
I am flabbergasted. I learn more from the D-Link forums than from all my years of schoolin'.
Fatman gets an applause for being such a smart feller.
PeterJvM for being such a good sport.
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Besides BCG don't work or I wouldn't be here. Both my parents wore them.
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I was hoping that would be one you got, oh well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GI_glasses
Hey now, I had a couple of pairs of those glasses. Took one and had the lenses tinted so that they looked like Ray-Bans.
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Hey now, I had a couple of pairs of those glasses. Took one and had the lenses tinted so that they looked like Ray-Bans.
Wayfarer's?
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A 10 kilometer diameter rock from space would bring a little perspective to the climate debate.
Heaven help us :D http://www.nbc.com/survival-sundays/video/categories/meteor/1134442/
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Heaven help us :D http://www.nbc.com/survival-sundays/video/categories/meteor/1134442/
That's what I'm talking about. Finally, someone has brought something relevent to the discussion. Since we are on the topic, I found this interesting tidbit: BIG BANG IN ANTARCTICA -- KILLER CRATER FOUND UNDER ICE. http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/erthboom.htm (http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/erthboom.htm)
Yes boys and girls, a meteor approximately 30 miles wide, 5 times bigger than the one that made Chicxulub crater in the Yucatan peninsula. It left a crater 300 miles wide. Talk about spoiling your day. Scientist suggest that it could have begun the breakup of the Gondwana supercontinent by creating the tectonic rift that pushed Australia northward. AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE! - OY OY OY!
Some data on the Chicxulub asteroid (thanks Wikipedia): The impactor's estimated size was about 10 km * (6 mi) in diameter and is estimated to have released 4×1023 joules of energy, equivalent to 100,000,000 megatons * of TNT on impact. By contrast, the most powerful man-made explosive device ever detonated, the Tsar Bomba, had a yield of only 50 megatons, making the Chicxulub impact 2 million times more powerful.
If this newly discovered meteor is 5 times bigger, that must mean that the released energy was like, at least twice as much!
* Wow, what a cooincidence. 10 kilometers wide. Where have I heard that before?
* Since I am such a math whiz I hesitate to ask for verification but, isn't that the same as One hundred million million tons of TNT?
Has anyone ever seen film footage of the Tsar Bomba explosion? If memory serves, it was originally supposed to be a 100 megaton bomb but the Russians kinda, sorta, were worried so they reduced it by half in order to limit the amount of nuclear fallout that would result. (Thanks Khrushchev!) It was scary-pretty. Hydrogen bomb explosions are quite unique. This one left me with a OMG! expression.
All I need to do now is tie all of this to "Static routing to LAN interface" and I'll be square.
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The air in Antartica is very dry and cold, making it staticy (is that a word). Now all tied in ;D
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All I need to do now is tie all of this to "Static routing to LAN interface" and I'll be square.
I am sure a disgruntled user who is upset at the lack of static LAN routing will attempt to threaten us with the summoning Meteor via the use of the Black and White Materia any time now. Thanks.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Meteor_(Final_Fantasy_VII) will help with the confusion to ensure if we are not all gamers.
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I am sure a disgruntled user who is upset at the lack of static LAN routing will attempt to threaten us with the summoning Meteor via the use of the Black and White Materia any time now. Thanks.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Meteor_(Final_Fantasy_VII) will help with the confusion to ensure if we are not all gamers.
Meteo was black.(pre VII) Meteor was Genova + Life Stream retaliation, unless you mean comet(1&2) or the limit break Meteorain. :P
P.s. Knights of the Round + W_Summon w/ Final Attack + Phoenix FTW.
P.P.S this is about as off topic as you can get.
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Read my link more carefully, I think all confusion as to what I meant will go away.
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P.P.S this is about as off topic as you can get.
No it isn't.
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Read my link more carefully, I think all confusion as to what I meant will go away.
Stop trying to clarify.
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The air in Antartica is very dry and cold, making it staticy (is that a word). Now all tied in ;D
You're a genius. You get applause for that.
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I still can't believe Lycan tried to out Fatman me. Getting all needlessly precise and missing the whole point is my gig.
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I still can't believe Lycan tried to out Fatman me. Getting all needlessly precise and missing the whole point is my gig.
Oooo, office tension. Soon you'll be ignoring each other on purpose.
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This is all really a race to see which one bans the other first (and if they do it by IP so we are all locked out from the office).
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Getting all needlessly precise and missing the whole point is my gig.
Before getting this modding job, did you by any chance work on the firmware coding dpt. or PM? ;D
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No, neither one would have me!
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Weird, they seem to employ some soulmates... ;)
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You are just having too much fun lately Demonized!