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The Graveyard - Products No Longer Supported => Routers / COVR => DGL-4500 => Topic started by: XS on August 19, 2011, 11:01:59 AM
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Okay, I have my router configured to the sticky settings except I have yet to create a rule for my Xbox's.
With that being said, once I create a rule will there be any increased performance gains online playing games Vs. how the router is configured now with no rules and no one using the internet while I am on Xbox?
Also I have power boost on my cable internet, so my upload speed is rated at 2 meg but with power boost it can get up to 4 meg. I have ran several speedtests and every time my upload speed is ~4.5meg. Now I am not sure how long my connection can maintain that upload speed due to the power boost, so should I change the "Automatic Uplink Speed" to manual and just enter 2 meg for upload speed? With it set to auto my router always shows 5meg upload.
Thanks!
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Once you set up rules for the gamefule, this function ensures that the traffic going between the router and the ISP modem from the consoles is managed well for all devices that are in the rule, including PCs. This does not guarantee any game improvements while gaming since there are other factors to consider like ISP service conditions and game services and other game users networking conditions. You can have everything set well well on your end of the system, however anyone of these other factors could and probably will impact your gaming experience. I still see others with bad signal bars when playing BO or MW2, sometimes I don't notice any thing, sometimes we see the lag start. And who really knows what is doing it? We all like to attribute it to the other player interference and maybe that is correct sometimes. And maybe its how they are set up and who else is online while they are gaming too? Mom and dad streaming video while the kids are gaming and there routers are not set up for any QoS. So this can effect how it's getting on the gaming services too.
The only thing we can can do is to ensure that from the ISP modem thru the router to the devices we connect to them are set up as well as we can.
I recommend setting a manual speed of 4048 range and see how that goes. Give you some over head that the router can play with and show always maintain that as long is your ISP and modem is giving it to you.
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I personally set my upload to my provisioned speed (without power boost), but to be honest I haven't seen any clear data one way or another it makes a difference. Does anyone have idea what the upload gamefuel does? Like in technical terms?
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Well, I found a couple of sustained up/down load speed test sites and my DL came in at 2.2meg and not 5meg that speedtest was telling me.
http://speedtest.nwc.acsalaska.net/dslreports/
http://testmy.net/
I changed the setting to 2048 in the manual upload speed and ran another speed test and sure enough it maxed out at 1.9meg on speedtest.net.
However, with the router set to auto uplink speed at over 5meg, I have been very pleased with the performance of black ops, tons better then my VDSL.
This weekend I am going to manually enter 2048 in the upload speed and play some games and I will report back on if anything changed. Anyway I searched the web and cannot really find any good or bad info on limiting your upload speed except for this post on "IGN"
http://boards.ign.com/xbox_360_general_board/b8266/196723235/r196726700/
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it's possible that you might leave the router set up for automatic Uplink speed instead of manual.
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Okay I am confused on the add rules since the sticky changes when Furry adds rules for his PC's and changes the rules from XBOX 360a to port53..
"The Local IP Address range is the xbox IP addresses that are in sequence thus allowing for the addition of adding another xbox console and its IP address to the Remote IP Address range."
So the "from" is supposed to be xbox1 IP address and the "to" is supposed to be xbox2 IP or xbox3 IP sequentially for port53 and port3074, depending on how may xbox are connected to the router?
If so do I leave the network settings on the consoles in automatic or do I change them to manually and give each Xbox sequential IP addresses?
Should I just ignore this part of the sticky because this is where I get confused?
Enable: Check to enable it.
Name: Give any name to this rule.
Priority: Set the first xbox console to 1, graduate the number for each additional Xbox console. (1-255, 255 is the lowest priority)
Protocol: Set to Both.
Local IP Range: Reserved IP address of each xbox console in from and to boxes.
Local Port Range: 0 in from box, 3074 in to box.
Remote IP Range: 0.0.0.0 in from box, 255.255.255.255 in to box.
Remote Port Range: 0 in from box, 3074 in to box.
Name Priority Local IP Range Remote IP Range Protocol / Ports
Xbox 360a 1 <XBox a IP> to <XBox a IP> 0.0.0.0 to 255.255.255.255 Both 0 / 3074
Xbox 360b 2 <XBox b IP> to <XBox b IP> 0.0.0.0 to 255.255.255.255 Both 0 / 3074
(Reserved IP address of the Xbox console entered in the Local IP Range from/to boxes.)
Sorry for the dumb questions
Thanks
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follow the updated rules, the rules above the update are my initial findings years back. I just kept them as those configurations can still be used. I changed to inputing ports cuz it makes it easier to add multiple xboxes with out having to input a complete new rule.
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That is what I figured but I am still not 100% sure what to put for the local IP range for port53 and port3074?
My xbox IP changes every time I turn it on and end in three digits .196 not .49 or .50.
The network settings on the Xbox set to automatic correct?
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remember those are examples of ip addresses. Even though they are actual addresses, the addresses can be anything however they are bases on what the router is set up. I chose to change my routers net addresses from default 192 to something else. You can do this too. Mine is based on my house number address.
Can teamviewer.com in and help you out.
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Okay, I feel like an ***** but both Xbox are set up for automatic in the configure network (console settings). One xbox ends in .194 and the other .198. The last three digits for my xbox will change from time to time.
What do I enter in the local IP range to and from?
With the Xbox set to auto I don't get where I am reserving an IP address and this is where I get confused.
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Any chance you can make the 194 ip address to 197 or 199?
Then you would enter in 192.168.0.197 or 198 in the FROM box and 192.168.0.199 in the TO box for Local IP address range.
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Yeah I would just have to reserve the IP address in each Xbox console but that would require me to change the auto obtain IP address to manual.
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NO, reserve it on the router, not the consoles, leave them at auto.
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Let me see if I understand this, when setting up the rules for the ports and I enter the local IP range is actually reserving the IP for my Xbox and when I turn on my xbox's it will automatically set my IP to what I entered in the local IP IP range for the ports on the router?
I am just don't get where an IP address is being reserved for the Xbox's.
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Need to reserve the IP address for the xboxes on the router under Basic/Networking.
Then go to gamefuel and use those reserved IP addresses in the Local IP address range.
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Thanks furry, that's what was confusing me as I read through the sticky, I was thinking "okay, where in the heck do I reserve an IP address for the xbox's?
I googled it and found this website that may help other users set up a reserved IP address:
http://www.techknowlogy.jigsy.com/entries/general/multiple-open-nat-xboxes-one-internet-connection-not-possible---wrong
Thanks again for your patience and help!
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XS, here's how I think of it. You're always making the devices ask for their address from the router.
So the router is "holding" their place in line and "punches their card" when they show up. :P
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Ya, I didn't add specific details of reserving IP addresses. Sorry. It is a bit detailed in LIMEs PS sticky. ;D
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haha yeah I wish I knew how to reserve an IP address earlier, would have save me a headache, lol.
Anyway, am I supposed to enable this too? If I do it only works for one IP address...
"Advanced/GAMING:
Select the Enable check box, then scroll down to the Application Name drop down list and select Xbox Live. These will auto-fill the open boxes. Enter the IP address of the console into the IP address box that you want to add to the list."
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Nope, thats mainly for PC games and other stuff. It's mentioned in the sticky.
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Well, after a few hours of frustration the router is set up per the sticky and XBL has never ran better!!! Thanks Furry!!!!!
Anyway, I am trying to understand the game fuels priority settings, Why is one port set to 40 and the other set to 60?
I mean why not lower and why not closer together?
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Theres been speculation about priorities and how they REALLY work however the main part about priorities is that if you have items set for 1 which is the highest priority and you have other devices that are on the network, it's possible that the device(s) set up for priority 1 will starve out the bandwidth and internet traffic to the other devices when there all online at the same time. Thus if you lower the priority from 1 to say 10, other devices should be able to get there fair share if bandwidth. This also gives rise to the question, why not put all devices in the priority list. Yes, you can, why I added 2 PCs in the example to show that along with the high priority xboxes, PCs added in with a lower priority setting also works and this ensures that the PCs still get bandwidth while xboxes have higher priority. I presume there are various ways of setting up the priorities, just need to know what your needs are and where to place them.
FYI, after you get the router all set up, I would save off the configuration to file so that if you have to factory reset the router, all you need to do is to reload the file and you won't have to manually type in anything again. Saves time.
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Good Idea! Yeah I added my PC to the rules list and gave it priority of 200 like you did. I have a wireless PC, DirectTV, WiFi network turned on for wireless cell phone. I think I will add the directTV to the rules list too. The Wii will never be used at the same time when I am on XBL since they are connected to same TV.
Is adding a rule the same as port forwarding?
Sorry for all the Q's, I am tinkerer and I like to know how things work. :D
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Hey, a dump question is a unasked question. Ask away man.
I did forget to mention that not all devices really need to be in the rule. If device only need a small portion of bandwidth, like DirectTV and things that only need to make contact with the Internet on occasion or devices that don't need a lot of bandwidth, then your safe in keeping these devices out of the rule. Just put in ones that you know will suck up the bandwidth. ;)
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Sounds good!
Is adding a rule to the ports the same as port forwarding like portforwarding.com does?
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I think so in part as Gamefule seems to handle some port forwarding. I don't know for sure. I haven't use actual Application or port forwarding rules at all since i do most of what I need thru Gamefuel.
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Just wanted to update on one of my earlier posts concerning manual vs auto upload speed.
Here is my findings:
I ran several and I mean several different speed tests and ping tests with this set to manual 2meg UL and with it set to auto where my speed boost would indicate I have 5meg UL.
At first I thought I was on to something because my first runs showed a lower jitter on ping test but as I ran more of them it was just coincidence and results ended up the same. Obviously my upload speed was capped at 2 meg so that's where it maxed out on speedtest.net.
Now in game (XBL), I really did not see that much of performance difference, however I did notice with my upload speed capped my bandwidth in blacks would not max out at 10000Kbps on the options screen. I also noticed I would not get host as much with my upload speed capped at 2meg.
Conclusion, I left this setting to auto to help me get host more since when I do get host 9/10 times I have an awesome connection with zero lag.
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Good info man. Thanks for sharing. Hope it works well for you.
Was curious what happens if you type in a manual setting of 4096 for UPlink speed?
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My advertised speed is 15/2 with power boost 18/4.
Yeah Furry I really can not thank you enough, cable, this router, your sticky has literally change this game for me and it is so much fun now running around and not camping so much because your internet sucks. Anyway, if I set it 4096 or any speed really, on speedtest it will be capped at that speed and in Black ops to get a max bandwidth rating of 10000Kbps I have to have set to at least 2.5 to get it 10000Kbps everytime in black ops.
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Ok, was curious about it. Well glad it working for you man. Enjoy it now. Maybe we can play BO sometime. Even though I hate that game. :P Been playing MW2 lately. Such a fun game. ;D
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I need to do phase two of my Gamefuel vs Gaming (port forwarding) tests. I had assumed with my prior tests that without any kind of forwarding or UPnP I wouldn't get a Type 2 NAT, but I was wrong. So I am going to repeat the tests with a actual port scanner.
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Will be waiting with bated breath on your results SIR. :o
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Ok, was curious about it. Well glad it working for you man. Enjoy it now. Maybe we can play BO sometime. Even though I hate that game. :P Been playing MW2 lately. Such a fun game. ;D
Sounds good Furry I am sure you are popular guy but if you have room go ahead and send me an FR @ XS Strength. I have MW2 too but that was my first experience to online gaming and boy was I embarrassing!
Anyway, why do you hate BO?
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How some of the maps are set up. Game play and experiences. Just isn't as fun as MW2 for some reason. Played MW2 last nite and even though we lost a few games, still had a better time playing it over BO. BO is ok I guess. I do like the RC car and Crossbow. I think they did some things to some of the guns that are not realistic as they were in MW2. Ya, alot has to to with my abilities too. Yes some has to do with other players to. I really wish they would take out O scoping and the running class or at least limit the running class some how. Thats not realistic. My 2 Cents.
Of course, having a good time helps if you can get friends together that play well and communicate and work as a team. ;D
Sounds good Furry I am sure you are popular guy but if you have room go ahead and send me an FR @ XS Strength. I have MW2 too but that was my first experience to online gaming and boy was I embarrassing!
Anyway, why do you hate BO?
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Just wanted to update on one of my earlier posts concerning manual vs auto upload speed.
Here is my findings:
I ran several and I mean several different speed tests and ping tests with this set to manual 2meg UL and with it set to auto where my speed boost would indicate I have 5meg UL.
At first I thought I was on to something because my first runs showed a lower jitter on ping test but as I ran more of them it was just coincidence and results ended up the same. Obviously my upload speed was capped at 2 meg so that's where it maxed out on speedtest.net.
Now in game (XBL), I really did not see that much of performance difference, however I did notice with my upload speed capped my bandwidth in blacks would not max out at 10000Kbps on the options screen. I also noticed I would not get host as much with my upload speed capped at 2meg.
Conclusion, I left this setting to auto to help me get host more since when I do get host 9/10 times I have an awesome connection with zero lag.
Another update, this time I tested over a few weeks. I changed my upload speed from auto to manual and entered 3096M since my upload speed can provide a consistent 2.2M upload. However I noticed if I manually entered 2.2M, that the D-link router would limit the upload to ~1.8. So I chose 3Meg so I always get 2.2meg upload.
Anyway, I ran the D-link router this way for a couple of weeks and I noticed Black Ops did not run as smoothly as before. Just a little more lag and WTH moments, not much but noticeable.
I changed it back to "auto" and BO ran better, I am not sure why since 2meg upload should be sufficient to run this game. Maybe with all the interactive maps and theater mode, Bops will have a occasional spike in needed bandwidth?
Anyway, just wanted to share some more experiences with you guys.
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I'll give that a go when I get home today and see. I've always been using Manual. Mines set for 4096 right now I think.