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Title: hidden network
Post by: caspeer on September 27, 2011, 11:01:59 AM
hey there. is there any setting to hide my wireless network so that ppl can't see it? and where that setting is located. ty in advance
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: JavaLawyer on September 27, 2011, 11:12:45 AM
In the web interface, navigate to: Setup -> Wireless Settings -> Manual Wireless Network Setup

Next scroll down to the "Wireless Network Settings" heading and change the "Visibility Status" to "Invisible". This setting will prevent the router from broadcasting the network name.
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: caspeer on September 27, 2011, 11:13:30 AM
i found it by myself just now :D ty anyway
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: JavaLawyer on September 27, 2011, 11:14:00 AM
No problem. Glad to help.
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: caspeer on September 27, 2011, 11:18:34 AM
i appreciate the help
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: caspeer on September 28, 2011, 05:15:21 AM
hiding is the case for me. the so called "internet administrator" in campus forbids the usage of wify routers and only cable routers are allowed. personally i can't understand why, can someone explain?
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: JavaLawyer on September 28, 2011, 05:18:37 AM
hiding is the case for me. the so called "internet administrator" in campus forbids the usage of wify routers and only cable routers are allowed. personally i can't understand why, can someone explain?

IT may be trying to prevent outside individuals from picking up unsecured wireless and using available bandwidth. The administrator has no means of enforcing wireless security at the router level.
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: JavaLawyer on September 28, 2011, 05:22:12 AM
When you say "campus" are you referring to an academic setting? There may have been prior instances where students were accused of downloading inappropriate (i.e. pirated) material or using too much bandwidth. Precluding the use of wireless routers will avoid the excuse of "I didn't download that file, someone must have been using my wireless connection without my knowledge".
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: caspeer on September 28, 2011, 05:39:57 AM
for the bandwith we already have a stupid thing called trafic quota. after 350 so called "sesions" we get banned from the internet atutomaticly for 1 minute. if we open a webpage that has comercials or some pope-up our connection goes dead. it's the same for torents. besides the low speed we have, you can't do anything while the torrent client is connecting. and everyone that connects has his own id and pass.
but back to my curiosity. they say that the internet crashes are caused ONLY by the wify routers (my opinion is that their network is just crappy). is there anything different in the two connections that could cause that?
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: JavaLawyer on September 28, 2011, 05:54:22 AM
There is a potential for greater overall bandwidth usage. If a user reaches the traffic quota for his/her assigned IP address, the user can immediately connect to another user's IP address via wireless without waiting. Using this method, users can hop among available IPs resulting in overall increased traffic.

If wireless is banned, there will always be a large percentage of IP addresses that never reach the traffic quota (i.e. the "high bandwidth users" will never have access to the "low bandwidth user" IP addresses).

If that traffic increase is enough to crash the institution's network, then their network infrastructure isn't designed to handle the load and should be upgraded.
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: JavaLawyer on September 28, 2011, 05:56:17 AM
BTW: Are you referring to an academic institution? That policy is insane. Not only are they instituting session caps, they are collecting advertising revenue to boot.
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: caspeer on September 28, 2011, 06:08:08 AM
yes it's an academic campus. i forgot to mention that. the thing is you can't connect again using any other method because it's not like a dial-up connection when you enter in a shortcot from the network the id and pass. here you are asked for it when connecting with a browser. we had to fill out a contract in witch we had to fill out with our mac adress so the connection could be made. so we have an ip for every mac adress and a unique id and pass.
and if you don't use it for 4-5 minutes you get disconnected. it doesn't close your active connections like messengers, torent clients but when you want to open something new you need to reintroduce in your browser the id and pass....
is't really stupid in my opinion. routers don't have anything to do with the s***y (sorry for the word but that's how it is) connection and server that they have. just lame excuses from ppl that don't know what they are doing
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: caspeer on September 28, 2011, 06:09:08 AM
and as an extra it just takes 3 refreshes of my thread here to reach my quota cap :p
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: JavaLawyer on September 28, 2011, 06:12:51 AM
Geez, that's how free Internet connections at Starbucks and bookstores used to be configured 8 years ago. Thought we were past those days.
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: caspeer on September 28, 2011, 06:20:29 AM
well here in romania they just got the idea from somewhere in the trash bin i supose.
so i got a response from the admin here and they say we shouldn't buy routers but buy switches because the routers give ip's that conflict with the big routers on every floor...
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: FurryNutz on September 28, 2011, 07:35:01 AM
Since most SOHO routers default addresses are 192.168.0.1, you can see where it might have problems with multiples of routers being the same network and causing conflicts. However it can be resolved by changing the routers IP addresses, if people are smart enough and know that they can do this. Most users don't know of this or just leave as is out of the box. In which most cases, thats fine. However in dealing with a bigger networks with trying to service many people, it sometimes doesn't make sense to have a multitude of routers when one is servicing and probably has the capability to service all. In these cases, switches and wifi AP devices are preferred. Having additional routers on the same line can cause connection issues with applications and gaming consoles and having to deal with NAT. IT is probably trying to K.I.S.S. and maintain a well balanced network so everyone can connect and enjoy the services. Routers have there place, however sometimes can be over kill or not needed in certain platforms.

well here in romania they just got the idea from somewhere in the trash bin i supose.
so i got a response from the admin here and they say we shouldn't buy routers but buy switches because the routers give ip's that conflict with the big routers on every floor...
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: caspeer on September 28, 2011, 07:40:12 AM
so by adding my ip to the router should solve the conflict between my router and the one outside?
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: FurryNutz on September 28, 2011, 07:44:08 AM
Not sure what you mean my adding my ip to the router...
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: JavaLawyer on September 28, 2011, 07:51:37 AM
I think he's saying that he should take his network port's IP address (cmd ipconfig) from a direct connection and set the router to that value.

You must set your router to an IP address range that will not overlap with the school's IP address range.
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: caspeer on September 28, 2011, 07:56:07 AM
I think he's saying that he should take his network port's IP address (cmd ipconfig) from a direct connection and set the router to that value.

You must set your router to an IP address range that will not overlap with the school's IP address range.
that's what i wanted to say
by doing that would that be safer for the network?
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: FurryNutz on September 28, 2011, 08:34:25 AM
The routers IP address can be anything for the LAN side. It doesn't have to be 192.168.#.#.
Can I ask what the WAN IP address is coming from your ISP? Can be found on the Status/Device Info/Wan section. Are you seeing a 192.168 address there or a 2 digit beginning address, ##.##.###.###? Just curious.

I actually use a different address and recommend changing the routers LAN and DHCP server address. When i set up routers for people, I use there house address on there street for the routers new address. So say your house address number is 1719 E 9th St. You can make the routers address 17.1.9.1. This will play an important part on the Wifi as others will probably use the default 192.168 address, if this is the case, having multiple routers broadcasting this address with out any security will not be safe and cause problems. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: JavaLawyer on September 28, 2011, 09:06:22 AM
Also, if I'm reading you correctly, your goal is to stay under the radar right? Avoid causing any network issues and disable broadcasting to make detection more difficult.

And don't forget to hide your router under the bed!
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: caspeer on September 28, 2011, 02:07:27 PM
my wan ip adress is
IP Address : 10.0.10.241

and i already am hiding my router under the bed :))
what is it about broadcasting? is it connected to the hidden setting I initialy started the thread for?
Title: Re: hidden network
Post by: FurryNutz on September 28, 2011, 02:40:33 PM
Ok, thats a private IP address and not public so you might see some NAT issues here.

No, the WAN IP address is NAT'd to the LAN IP address thru the router so 192.168 pool you use on the router doesn't effect the WAN side of things. SO your hidden WiFi will be ok unless they bring in a single finding equipment, then your hosed, since your router still is broadcasting a radio signal.  ::) You good for now man. Just keep the wireless hidden I guess.