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Title: General Noob esq questions
Post by: arvust on September 29, 2011, 12:16:10 AM
Hey guys,

Furrynutz previously informed me that the 4500 will be able to have two xbox 360's connected to xbox live with open NAT's if i follow the sticky, which is awesome and thanks heaps for putting in the effort to write that!

Just another question before I buy this router, will it allow me to easily control the speed of connection to other users on the network? I basically want to tell the router to prioritize all games or anything going to my PC/xbox as my brother tends to download **** whilst I'm trying to game! thus giving me a terrible ping.

Cheers,
Josh
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Hard Harry on September 29, 2011, 12:56:08 AM
Can you give certain/most traffic going to your Xbox priority? Yes. Can you easily control the speed of connection to others users on the network? Not quite. Your traffic would get priority, but you can't place hard caps. You can't go 1Mb for him, 15Mb for you. If you get fancy with your QoS rules, you can get similar results, but not quite the same, and it can get complicated sometimes. Just a heads up.
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on September 29, 2011, 09:56:23 AM
Hey I just installed and FuzztNutz setup the DGL-4500 I have purchased 11 ROSEWILL RNX-A5 antenna's for work. The antenna's do fit. My question is do you think I will bet better range if i installed the antenna's on the router?
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: FurryNutz on September 29, 2011, 10:24:22 AM
There was one guy who buy 3 of the external hawking antennas for his 4500 a while ago and said they worked great.
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on September 29, 2011, 11:28:32 AM
ok i'll install 3 of the ones that I have and I will let you know. Something else to add. Being the 4500 can be switched from 2.4 to 5ghz. The Rosewill RNX-A5's frequency range for these are 2.4-2.5ghz. I do not know if they will work for the 5ghz. Don't see why not, but ya never know.

UPDATE!!!


YES! The RNX-A5's do give a better signal. $6.99ea from www.newegg.com
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: FurryNutz on September 29, 2011, 11:49:44 AM
Ya the guy also mentioned that his Antennas were rated at 2.4Ghz however he said they worked at 5Ghz as well.
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on September 29, 2011, 11:52:32 AM
Figured they would work for the 5ghz as well being antenna's are only amplifying the signal, and have no affect on the frequency.
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Hard Harry on September 29, 2011, 11:53:17 AM
Oops, nevermind. I was thinking you were talking about a wireless adapter, not a wireless antenna. Heh.

Generally though, 5Ghz shouldn't be used unless you do live HD streaming. Normal use will make better use of the 2.4Ghz range.
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on September 29, 2011, 12:02:36 PM
I use wireless devices daily for business and have never been a fan of wireless for streaming. I am a hardwire man. Make all my cables and install everything in the walls. The only thing i need now is a 24 port switch. :P Anyone have a cheap one for sale? and is it IEEE 802.3af compliant?
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on September 29, 2011, 12:13:22 PM
Here is yet another question. My signal is within the ranges determined by my ISP(Comcast). Would putting a signal booster on my cable line give me a better latency with gaming server I am connecting to? I.E. Having the Gaming server i am connecting to select me for hosting games. Such as Call of Duty: MW2 and BO? When I lived in Minnesota i was using the supplied cable modem from Comcast. I then got a SB5100 from a friend and starting using it and ended up not being the host anymore. The SB6121 i just ordered from newegg will be here today and am hoping it will be a big improvement from the SB5100. I am expecting it will be, being the SB5100 is way old. What are your thoughts on this?

Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: FurryNutz on September 29, 2011, 12:37:51 PM
Good Man, Wired is the best way IMO.

I bought a HP 24pt Gb switch a few years back. Sure enjoy it.


I use wireless devices daily for business and have never been a fan of wireless for streaming. I am a hardwire man. Make all my cables and install everything in the walls. The only thing i need now is a 24 port switch. :P Anyone have a cheap one for sale? and is it IEEE 802.3af compliant?
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: FurryNutz on September 29, 2011, 12:40:39 PM
I would also recommend that you make sure your line coming to the house is in good condition and the line from your house to the modem is free of line splitters, one is ok, however the more you have the less signal the modem will get. I prefer none. I have a dedicated cable line for Internet. I've never used an AMP and they are mainly needed for long distance cable runs from the house to some where down the line inside the house or building. Amps can produce noise as well so you have some other considerations, Noise in Noise out.

Here is yet another question. My signal is within the ranges determined by my ISP(Comcast). Would putting a signal booster on my cable line give me a better latency with gaming server I am connecting to? I.E. Having the Gaming server i am connecting to select me for hosting games. Such as Call of Duty: MW2 and BO? When I lived in Minnesota i was using the supplied cable modem from Comcast. I then got a SB5100 from a friend and starting using it and ended up not being the host anymore. The SB6121 i just ordered from newegg will be here today and am hoping it will be a big improvement from the SB5100. I am expecting it will be, being the SB5100 is way old. What are your thoughts on this?

Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on September 29, 2011, 12:42:39 PM
Whats the Model# of the one you purchased?
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on September 29, 2011, 12:49:18 PM
Yeah I have one splitter on the line coming in. When Comcast came I requested a new line be installed from the pole to the house and they did it for me. I know my connections are good it is all new stuff. I think that being I am in New Mexico now that the systems here are a bit outdated and just need to be updated. I think they are still on DOCSIS 2.0 because when i lived in Minnesota i was getting the 20/2 package from them. I move down here and the highest they offer is 16/2 in my area. Although we will see what happens when the SB6121 comes in today and call comcast and give them the MAC to get on. Change the router to gigabit, and see what speeds and connectivity i am getting.
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: FurryNutz on September 29, 2011, 12:53:42 PM
All have to look at it when I get home, I know it's a ProCurve one, paid about $300 for it back then. There are newer generations out now. I think there worth it.  ;D

You might go your ISPs web site and see if they support that modem. I know with my ISP, they didn't support the 6120. I tried to hook it up but it would not sync even thought it was supposed to be backwards compatible. So I waited for Cableone to officially support it.  ;)
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on September 29, 2011, 12:56:45 PM
OH HELL NO!!! UGH going to check. OMG they Better!!!
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on September 29, 2011, 01:07:45 PM
OK!! It is supported. Infact the SB5100 and the SB6120 both get a 1/3 certification star. The SB6121 gets a 3/3 certification star. WOOTNESS!!!

Here is the device list that is supported with Comcast: http://mydeviceinfo.comcast.net/

Figured people would like to know this as well.

I also see there are 2 models for the SB6120 that you have Furry. the SB6120 and the SB6120-Retail. Looks like the retail is the only one that uses IPV6 which is odd. being that the SB6120 and the SB6121 both state to use IPV6
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: FurryNutz on September 29, 2011, 01:52:23 PM
LOL your too funny man.

Ya, I didn't even know there are different models now. I don't see the 6121 on the Motorola site:
http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/Cable-Modems-and-Gateways (http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/Cable-Modems-and-Gateways)

Makes me wonder if someone isn't updating there web site..

I guess my ISP supports the 6121:
http://help.cableone.net/HSD/Modem/Certified.aspx


Hmmm, I might hae to get one if there is a difference between the 20 and 21. Harry?  ???
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: FurryNutz on September 29, 2011, 02:58:11 PM
Ya why not, I jumped for it...it's supported on my ISP, and for $80 bucks and free shipping. Why not. ;D
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on September 29, 2011, 04:35:03 PM
LOL You r the 1 that is funny... Good choice. Also I rechecked my speeds a minute ago and WAAAAYYY better. I also checked my Cable modem log and found about 35 T3 errors so i called comcast and they will be out on saturday. Told them i wanted a line tech to come out. Comcast doesn't do anything about T3 errors unless you have more than 10 in a day. 
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: FurryNutz on September 29, 2011, 05:12:23 PM
So you got ur SB in and online?
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on September 29, 2011, 06:26:22 PM
Hell No!!! Still waiting on UPS to drop it off. Hey just found this in my log. Any idea what it means?

Map Reject - Downstream Traffic Flow Not Mapped to BPI+ SAID (EC=8)

Jumping on MW2 You game?
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: FurryNutz on September 29, 2011, 06:38:14 PM
ya be on soon
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Hard Harry on September 29, 2011, 10:15:56 PM
Hell No!!! Still waiting on UPS to drop it off. Hey just found this in my log. Any idea what it means?

Map Reject - Downstream Traffic Flow Not Mapped to BPI+ SAID (EC=8)

Jumping on MW2 You game?

In short? Ignore it.

In long (From a DOCSIS Support site)
This means that the modems are going BPI but not BPI+. due to the fact you are using a common config file for mutli-vendor modems. The CVC file for each modem is not included in the file. It's generally harmless, but annoying as it fills up the log.

Basically, the 6121 used the same firmware and config file as the 6120. Thats because besides the casing and a couple other superficial differences, the SB6120 and the SB6121 are the same. Thats why I chuckled when your ISP rated the 6121 higher. Could be the 6121 has the most up to date firmware by default, but that would likly load on the 6120 automatically after a day or two.

As for your question on latency, no, a amp isn't going to help. As long as your signal levels are in spec, a amp is just going to make it worst. But I could talk all day on latency. Its one of those things that has been sooooo simplied and dumbed down (WOW and MW2 I am looking at you) that people trash talk their modem/router/PC/ISP/game server/etc without really knowing what they are talking about. LOL I can give you some tips to help with it if you want though. A good portion of it will be out of your control though.
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on September 30, 2011, 07:45:13 AM
I moved from Minnesota, to which I was always the host in MW2. I move down to New Mexico, and instead of having 4 bars I now get 3 and no host.

FURRY- I am up and running my friend. Here are my new results: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1509325207.png

before I was getting 18.5 now its 31/5 I think I will be happy. I will let you know what MW2 shows.
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: FurryNutz on September 30, 2011, 08:14:38 AM
Hows the new modem doing?  :o
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on September 30, 2011, 10:21:01 AM
FAST VERY FAST! Surprising! Online gaming is about the same, BUT I am HOST again. WOOTNESS!!!
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: FurryNutz on September 30, 2011, 10:26:10 AM
Kewl beans man...well I should have waited for Harrys advise before purchasing, however this might be a good test between the 6120 and 6121 and see what and if there is any differences. Will be good information for others. Keep us posted man.
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: XS on September 30, 2011, 10:34:17 AM
FAST VERY FAST! Surprising! Online gaming is about the same, BUT I am HOST again. WOOTNESS!!!

Host is a double edge sword for me, sometimes I lag like crazy other times I am beasting, lol
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: FurryNutz on September 30, 2011, 10:42:05 AM
Ya hosting can have it's up's and downs. I know I was hosting last night for a while and kickin booty.  ;D
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Kamikazi2142 on September 30, 2011, 02:47:40 PM
anyone know any details on this?
NEW DLINK CABLE MODEM DOCSIS 3.0 (http://"http://www.dlink.com/serviceprovider/PDFs/DCM-301_ds.pdf")???

obviously the specs are there, but any word on the release?

from what i can see in the specs, this will be up there rivaling the SB6120

found it here (http://"http://www.dlink.com/press/?prid=651")

slowely this forums code is beginning to work, however, its still sketchy, and i have to use another forum to make forum codes from.  apologies if links don't work right.
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on October 16, 2011, 08:21:23 AM
Hey Guys,

  Just got back in town yesterday @4 and am leaving for NY today. Sorry I have not been around lately, been a bit busy. I'll try to stay up to date within the forums and pipe in every now and then,
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: FurryNutz on October 16, 2011, 12:03:37 PM
kewl man. I just got my XBL account back. Hope to see ya online.
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on October 27, 2011, 10:02:47 AM
Hey Furry!

  Sorry man.... I'm in Virginia ATM. Will be flying home tomorrow. Be home at about 2pm CST. Hey don't forget to send over the FR request to me from your MAIN account. See you on tomorrow. Hey BTW have you done any work with the MOTOROLA WING Access Points?
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: FurryNutz on October 27, 2011, 10:06:33 AM
Hey bud...long time man. Hope all is well.

I will send you a FR. Didn't know about Wing APs? Something new? I did install a SB6121.  ;D
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on October 27, 2011, 10:53:43 AM
yeah they are a MOTOROLA AP-7131N Access Point. Having issues with them here at the Virginia site and 3 other sites across the US. Stupid things are not allowing other wireless devices to communicate over the network but i can ping the devices and they are connected to the AP's.
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: FurryNutz on October 27, 2011, 10:55:16 AM
I see that. What does M support say?  ???
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on October 27, 2011, 11:02:20 AM
They don't have a clue...
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Hard Harry on October 27, 2011, 05:17:00 PM
Wait....1000$ EQ support does not belong in "noob" thread. I think you may have to go to the big leagues on that one. ::grin:: Who was your product manager? If you invested that kind of money in their hardware, they OWE you some Diamond level support my friend.
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: Theother0 on November 03, 2011, 08:17:59 AM
Yeah tell me about it! 30 of those AP's per site. It was a combination of issues between the InfoBlox Server and the AP's. As well as the AS400 being stupid. You would think that a $5,000,000 AS400 better work correctly.

HEY FURRY when you gonna send the FR from your mail account?
Title: Re: General Noob esq questions
Post by: FurryNutz on November 03, 2011, 08:35:55 AM
Sounds like you got it fixed.  ???