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The Graveyard - Products No Longer Supported => Routers / COVR => DIR-825 => Topic started by: AYColumbia on December 17, 2011, 07:22:08 AM
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I'm looking at getting the DIR-825 and currently have the DIR-655 which works great. I was wondering if I can set the 825 as my primary wireless router, but delegate the 655 as an extra "hub" to connect more components to. So I'd like to directly connect the 655 a port on the 825 and have my devices connect to the 655. So the 825 would server internet and so on. I hope I'm making sense.
I don't need the 655 as an AP as I already have my media devices connected to my DAP-1522. I'd like to get the 825 so I can use the 5GHz channel for my media devices via the DAP-1522.
Thank you.
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You can turn the 655 into an AP.
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=40856.0 (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=40856.0)
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Did you read my post? I specifically said I don't want the 655 as an AP. I want to connect it directly to the 825 like you would with a switch.
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Then turn off the wifi radio then you'll be good.
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Aha, cool. I guess that's the new term these days. I couldn't remember if it was to act as a gateway or bridge. I guess an AP can also be set up hard-wired to another router. :) Thank you.
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Oh, one more easy question. What's the hardware revision on the latest 825 right now? I just want to make sure I purchase one that is the latest release. Thanks again.
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Before I plunk down my hard-earned $$$ on this, it's got a LOT of negative reviews on Amazon. Are you able to comment on this at all? I love all the d-link products I have as they've never given me any issues and I have the DWA-160, DIR-655, DAP-1522 and DWA-556. I can't help but be leary of going with the 825 due to so many negative reviews as it seems unreliable. I'm mainly looking at going with the 825 so I can use the 5GHz band with the DAP-1522 which is what all my HD media devices are connected to.
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If you're happy with the 655 and don't need additional wireless coverage then you can just add a multiport switch. It would be cheaper (I got an 8 port Dlink switch for about $32) and you wouldn't be buying a 1.5 or 2 year old router design(I got my 825-B1 back in June 2010).
I have a 655 in my basement as a main router and wireless zone A. Then a DGS-2208 switch two floors up to get hard wired internet for my main computer/game/media room. My 825 is on the other side of the house and is wired to the 655 and is used as wireless zone B.
Initially I had DSL internet so when I got the 825 I just replaced the 655, but when I switched to cable I decided to change the phone connector wiring to net wiring. I added the switch so I could get more direct internet connections and started using the 655 again to get additional wireless coverage.
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Keep in mind the 5GHz band doesn't have much range compared to 2.4GHz. As a said before the 825 is at least 1.5 maybe 2 year old hardware design. There are supposed to be newer designs that give you better 5GHz coverage, but I don't have any experience with those routers.
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I already have a switch on my DAP-1522 and it works great. As I mentioned, my primary reason is in adding the 825 is for the dual band 5GHz support so I can increase my bandwidth on wireless to the DAP-1522. I don't really have the option of running cable.
If you're happy with the 655 and don't need additional wireless coverage then you can just add a multiport switch. It would be cheaper (I got an 8 port Dlink switch for about $32) and you wouldn't be buying a 1.5 or 2 year old router design(I got my 825-B1 back in June 2010).
I have a 655 in my basement as a main router and wireless zone A. Then a DGS-2208 switch two floors up to get hard wired internet for my main computer/game/media room. My 825 is on the other side of the house and is wired to the 655 and is used as wireless zone B.
Initially I had DSL internet so when I got the 825 I just replaced the 655, but when I switched to cable I decided to change the phone connector wiring to net wiring. I added the switch so I could get more direct internet connections and started using the 655 again to get additional wireless coverage.
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Yep. My 1522 and 655 are less than 20 feet away with one wall in between. When I use my DWA-160 on a laptop, I'm at most 35-40 feet away so not much coverage is needed really, but thanks for the info. Should I be looking at the media routers like the DIR-827? It's much more expensive.
Keep in mind the 5GHz band doesn't have much range compared to 2.4GHz. As a said before the 825 is at least 1.5 maybe 2 year old hardware design. There are supposed to be newer designs that give you better 5GHz coverage, but I don't have any experience with those routers.
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Should I be looking at the media routers like the DIR-827? It's much more expensive.
I personally wouldn't but I haven't checked their specs or reviews. I've been a loyal Dlink user, but I have a feeling that they have not invested in R&D in the past 2 years. Now they are more of a "brand" name then a router technology leader.
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I tend to agree to a point with you. I have the 657 router and really don't see any differences while using it from the 655 router. Also every time a Mfr comes out with new SW or HW, aren't we always trying to figure out the bugs for them? LOL.
I have not had a chance to get any experiences with the 827 as of yet. Hope to maybe in the future. I would keep the 825, it's a solid router. I use mine at the moment as a AP. When it was host router I thought it was almost even better than my DGL-4500. Both are good routers when set up well.
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I have an 825 and am getting poor wireless thru a 1 wall, with both 2.5 and 5. We are talking a 1 story house, distance between router and device is 600ft. 6.5Mbps to a Cisco 610 Bridge. only one available at the time. ( I am thinking of getting a different router (maybe other than Dlink) and using my 825 as an AP. Do you think the Dlink products of late are not up to par? I thought about Asus or Netgear.
Is there a setting I might be missing?
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First of all this is a good router when used with in it's designed range. 600 ft is well beyond any range of most home routers. 1 wall it should be good. Mine goes about 20 feet from my living room to the back office which is well with in the 20 feet I need.
2ndly, wireless speeds attained are not the same as wired speeds. This is the nature of wireless that all Mfrs exhibit. Just the way it is. Many variables, standards and conditions contribute to wireless speeds and actual xfer speeds. At most when I'm 5Ghz single mode N with my Mac Book Pro to my server on a Gb network, 10-maybe 15Mb. Wired you should see 50-60Mb on a Gb network if certain conditions are met.
What wireless modes are you using?
Try single mode G or mixed G and N on 2.4Ghz and single mode N on 5Ghz or turn it off if you don't need it.
What security mode are you using? Preferred security is WPA-Personal. WPA2/Auto TPIK and AES.
What wireless devices do you have connected?
Any cordless house phones?
Any other WiFi routers in the area? Use InSSIDer (http://www.metageek.net/) to find out.
Turn off Short GI and Extra Wireless Protection if you have it. Under Advanced/Advanced Wireless.
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I have the 2.4 (sorry about earlier type 2.5) set to use WEP because of legacy g products. It is in a Mixed mode. The 5Ghz mode is set to N only and is using WPA-Personal, TPIK and AES. There are a couple of devices, (phone, a netbook, Logitech Duet) that are connected but not drawing any heavy data t the time of testing. This was the results of testing 1 device, the Cisco Bridge WE610N). I am trying to connect it to an older PS3 to stream video, it does not have wireless N, so I bought this bridge to increase the bandwidth for it. When I bought the 825, there were not much for bridges available.
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Trendnet makes some specific PS and xbox N game wifi adapters for these units as an addon. Guys in the DGL-4500 forum have mentioned that they work well. I would set the 2.4Ghz to Mixed G and N unless you still have some B mode devices.
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Can I ask how you have your Boxee setup?
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Wired...I have tried wireless N however I stream BD files from my server and N can't handle those. Other then that, wireless works well for Boxxee like netflix and such.
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Well, I finally got the 825. It took me about 3.5 hours this morning to get it installed, configured and working as expected with all my other routers and wireless devices. It was a real pain in the a$$ just to update the firmware because I didn't know I had to do it incrementally. That alone took about 20 minutes if not longer by the time I figured out I had to go from 2.02 to 2.03 to 2.05 and finally 2.06.
Everything seems to be working fine until a little while ago when I can't connect to the router web UI any longer. Everything's working fine, but when I try to go to the router UI I can't get to it. I can ping the IP just fine but the browser won't load it. I can get to my DIR-655 and DAP-1522 just fine and I'm going through the 825 to get to them. Makes no sense. Any ideas? I tried both the IP directly, with https and the name I gave it and it just won't do anything.
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Is it your primary host router or configured as an AP? if an AP, then you need to connet to the router using the manual router IP address you put in under Setup/network settings. It will bring up the routers web page. How mine is done. If host router then the default 192.168.0.1 should work. What browser do you use? Try a different one like Opera or FF.
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It's configured just as I wanted, i.e., 825 is primary, 655 is as a switch connected directly to 825 (no wireless). It was working just fine a few hours ago. I just got on to configure some port forwarding and can't get to the dang page. I haven't done anything since the dang thing was working.
Yes, I'm using the IP I assigned it, just like my 655 and the 1522 AP. It hasn't even been one full day and already problems...The strangest thing is that EVERYTHING connected to all equipment is working fine and accesses what it's supposed to access. It's just the page won't come up as if the router has lost all its pages internally. Similar to a website that has somepage.aspx and then you remove the page only (typical HTTP 404 error).
Oh, forgot to mention that I use both IE, FF and Chrome and all show the 404 Not Found. Yikes!
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And your getting internet ok?
Is the PC your using to connect to the router set up for automatic Ip addressing or have you set up a static IP address on the PC? Preferred is automatic.
Reboot the PC to be sure.
Turn off all anti virus and firewall programs on PC while testing. 3rd party firewalls are not generally needed when using routers as they are effective on blocking malicious inbound traffic.
Turn off all devices accept for one wired PC while testing.
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And your getting internet ok?
Is the PC your using to connect to the router set up for automatic Ip addressing or have you set up a static IP address on the PC? Preferred is automatic.
Reboot the PC to be sure.
Turn off all anti virus and firewall programs on PC while testing. 3rd party firewalls are not generally needed when using routers as they are effective on blocking malicious inbound traffic.
Turn off all devices accept for one wired PC while testing.
Oh yeah. EVERYTHING's working perfectly except for getting to the router UI. Makes no sense. Like I said, my IP for the router is fine, i.e., I can ping it and get to it, but the page is NOT there so you get the standard "page not found" HTTP 404 error.
Yes, the 825 is set up for DHCP. I do reserve specific IPs on the router like I did with my 655, but my PCs are set up to use DHCP to get their reserved addresses, i.e., no static IPs.
BTW, I had already done everything you suggested below. There is one thing that I didn't do since this popped up and that's unplugging the router and replugging it back in to "reset" it. THIS did work. After plugging the router back in and letting it go through its boot process, I was able to get back in. What the heck? Have you heard of this happening with anyone else?
It'll be interesting to see if it just happens again during the day today or over the next few days. Like I said, everything was working fine when I was able to access the UI and then I came back later to do a little more configuration and was not able to get to it. Not a good sign.
Thanks for your help FurryNutz.
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Well, it just went into that funky mode again where I can't get to the UI. It's got to be a bug in the built-in software that serves those pages. The 655 is very solid and never ran into this where the 825 seems buggy and even when the UI works, it's MUCH slower to respond than the 655's.
The webpage cannot be found
HTTP 404
Most likely causes:
•There might be a typing error in the address.
•If you clicked on a link, it may be out of date.
What you can try:
Retype the address.
Go back to the previous page.
Go to and look for the information you want.
More information
This error (HTTP 404 Not Found) means that Internet Explorer was able to connect to the website, but the page you wanted was not found. It's possible that the webpage is temporarily unavailable. Alternatively, the website might have changed or removed the webpage.
For more information about HTTP errors, see Help.
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What FW is currently loaded?
I'm going to recommend you update to v2.05 as what is on my router at the moment. I never saw this issue that I remember when I first got it and it was loaded with 2.02 I think. Follow the FW update steps detailed in the FW update sticky and also there are 2 files you use for updating to 2.05 and I think you have to update to 2.03 before applying 2.05. You can update to 2.06 if you like, it just adds IPv6 and thats it. I don't have IPv6 here yet so I just stuck with 2.05. Go head and update the FW.
Let us know if you need help.
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What FW is currently loaded?
I'm going to recommend you update to v2.05 as what is on my router at the moment. I never saw this issue that I remember when I first got it and it was loaded with 2.02 I think. Follow the FW update steps detailed in the FW update sticky and also there are 2 files you use for updating to 2.05 and I think you have to update to 2.03 before applying 2.05. You can update to 2.06 if you like, it just adds IPv6 and thats it. I don't have IPv6 here yet so I just stuck with 2.05. Go head and update the FW.
Let us know if you need help.
Per what I mentioned in my previous post arleady, I updated from 2.02 that was in the router when I got it all the way to 2.06. So I'm current. I've applied them in steps, i.e., 2.03 then 2.05 (1 then 2) and finally 2.06. And yes, like I said, the 2.06 is NOT incremental, so I had to apply each one individually until I got to the last one.
Again, EVERYTHING is working fine, i.e., the router is doing it's job. I think I'll call support and see what they say if anything useful.
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And you did follow the steps outlined in the FW update sticky?
Seems odd that your loosing router UI connection.
Do you have any 3rd party security installed on the PC your testing with? Disable them temporarily and see. Including windows Firewall to be sure.
Try using a different browser like Opera or FF? Same thing?
If your using IE8 or 9 set the compatibility mode button.
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And you did follow the steps outlined in the FW update sticky?
Seems odd that your loosing router UI connection.
Do you have any 3rd party security installed on the PC your testing with? Disable them temporarily and see. Including windows Firewall to be sure.
Try using a different browser like Opera or FF? Same thing?
If your using IE8 or 9 set the compatibility mode button.
Are there any specific steps you may be wanting me to follow? I did look at it and I've pretty much done the steps in there. I guess I can reset it to factory, yet again, and load my saved config and see if that cures it.
The other options really don't make any sense to be honest. Like I've already mentioned, I've used IE, FF and Chrome so it's not a browser issue. I don't see any issues with any security as I've tried disabling it but it works fine with it enabled when I unplug the router and then plug it back in so it reboots. My conclusion is a bug in the software that servers the UI. I think there's something happening after the initial router boot, during normal usage, that is fraking the UI pages.
BTW, it's "losing" the UI and not "loosing." ;) Always mis-used and drives me nuts. LOL
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AH there we go, do a factory reset and this time, DON'T upload the saved configuration and just manually input the settings.
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AH there we go, do a factory reset and this time, DON'T upload the saved configuration and just manually input the settings.
OMG! Do you have any idea HOW MANY SETTINGS I HAVE? I just finished the factory reset and restoring my settings. Let's see how that goes.
BTW, I had also done the reset via the reset on the back and that BEFORE manually entering all my settings. I basically saved my configuration after the initial set up, then after security/wifi and then after port forwarding and remaining settings.
Is there a way to export all the settings to a text or XML file?
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I have alot of settings too. Just sometimes going from one major FW version to another and loading the previous configuration introduces problems as some of the newer options don't reflect in the old configuration. Also the configuration file could be corrupt in some way just enough to carry over the problems seen in the last FW version.
I've never heard of any exporting of the settings from the router to XML. You might try to view the routers web page by turning off your browser Styles then see if you can export from there. Not sure if that will work for you or not.
Helps to take screen captures of each page on the router for reference though.
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I have alot of settings too. Just sometimes going from one major FW version to another and loading the previous configuration introduces problems as some of the newer options don't reflect in the old configuration. Also the configuration file could be corrupt in some way just enough to carry over the problems seen in the last FW version.
I've never heard of any exporting of the settings from the router to XML. You might try to view the routers web page by turning off your browser Styles then see if you can export from there. Not sure if that will work for you or not.
Helps to take screen captures of each page on the router for reference though.
I know what you mean, which is why I had reset the router, applied all the FW upgrades first and THEN started setting it up. So all my saved config "checkpoints" were AFTER all FW upgrades were done.
Yep, I used to use screen caps, but now I use copy/paste into MS Word because I can then copy/paste back the settings. Less typing. ;) Yeah, I've turned off the styles before to get ALL the settings but it's actually less messy to just copy/paste the normal screens to be honest.
So the problem is back already since my last post. So resetting and reloading my saved config did NOT resolve this. So I'll do the reset next but configure it manually and see what happens. Ugh...this is making me regret I bought this thing. Thank goodness I have 30 days to return it.
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By the way, I found this to be interesting. I use this old D-Link Gadget to get router status and check out what it shows for the Network section when the UI IP is accessible (valid) and when it becomes inaccessible (invalid). What's odd is that the Gadget, once connected, can still, or at least it seems, communicate with the router even though a browser cannot, however, notice that the LAN PortX status is NOT correct. If I reboot the PC, at that point, the Gadget can no longer connect to the router due to lack of access at that point.
Accessible UI and Not accessible respectively:
(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4318/dir825gadgetvalidconfig.jpg)(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/1748/dir825gadgetinvalidconf.jpg)
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Okay, so I reconfigured the router from scratch. It was a real pain in the a$$ to start. For some reason, when I changed the default IP from 192.168.0.1 to my custom one and it saved it, I would no longer be able to access the router at the IP. This happened several times after each one I had to start over by resetting the router to factory via the reset switch on the back.
I couldn't ping it either. The ping worked via the IPv6 default for the ping command but when I used -4 it would NOT recognize it and times out. I can access it via http://dlinkrouter but after every other screen, it goes back to the login page so it's really impossible to do anything.
Do you think I have a defective router? Would it be prudent to return it at this point for a replacement? I'm about to do that because I've wasted HOURS on this. I'll definitely return it if after all this, it still goes into that funk where everything works but I can't access the UI. Stay tuned...
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No don't think it's defective as I also use a custom IP address for the router that not a 192.168 addr. Are you sure you are setting the PC network properties to auto obtain and after you change the routers IP address, subnet mask and DHCP server properties, that the PC is either rebooted or you refresh the network by doing a ipconfig /release then /renew? Also /flushdns as well after you have rebooted the router?
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Yes, yes, yes. I do and have done all of that. The damn problem of not being able to get to the UI is back as well. So resetting and reconfiguring from scratch was a wash.
I even did this with ONLY my primary computer connected to take all other possible causes out of the equation. I'm going to return it and get a replacement product as I don't think D-Link support will be of any help.
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Ok, keep us posted. Odd that your having issues with this. Let us know when you get the new one in. Sorry you had this problem.
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Yeah, I'm on the line with D-Link support now just to try it before I return it. I figured it was worth a try to see if they have any ideas. Thankfully I got connected to a friendly agent. I'm not very hopeful this will be fixed to be honest.
[UPDATE] So after she spoke with a senior technician, they pretty much suggested I return it and get another one.
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Ya, ok sounds like bad behavior with router man. Glad you got good support. Keep us posted when you get the new one in. it's a great router man. I love mine. Sorry out had bad luck on got a bad apple. There not all bad. LOL.
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The irony is it was actually functioning great with only that one odd thing. I unfortunately cannot get an exchange and will have to send it back for a refund and how the the least expensive one I can find is $20 more than what I paid for this one. Ugh...
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Can't you send it to DLink?
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What wireless modes are you using?
Try single mode G or mixed G and N on 2.4Ghz and single mode N on 5Ghz or turn it off if you don't need it.
What security mode are you using? Preferred security is WPA-Personal. WPA2/Auto TPIK and AES.
What wireless devices do you have connected?
Any cordless house phones?
Any other WiFi routers in the area? Use InSSIDer to find out.
Turn off Short GI and Extra Wireless Protection if you have it. Under Advanced/Advanced Wireless.
I made the changes you had suggested, with a mixed G/N on the 2.4 and N on the 5Ghz. Security set to WPA-Personal, WPA2/Auto and TPIK and AES. there are 3 devices connected, no cordless phones, etc.
Speed increased to 13.5Mbit changing the channel width to auto 20/40 the 5Ghz to 40Mhz was most helpful.
Thanks.
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Can't you send it to DLink?
Not according to the lady I spoke with. She said I have to send it back to where I purchased it and get another one. I did think that was odd. I'm going to call them back and see if I can send it to them to fix.
BTW, I had also tried keeping the standard address in the configuration, i.e., 192.168.0.xxx and it does the same thing. So definitely something in the router software.
[UPDATE] Okay, I spoke with D-Link again and further explained my situation and they did provide an RMA for a replacement. Whew! Thanks Furry for asking that question. :)
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Ya. thought they would get you an RMA. They should. Keep us posted.
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So I finally got the replacement yesterday. I didn't have time to set it up until today and OMG!!! It's doing the same thing. This one came with 2.05NA firmware and I left it that way. I'll be calling them tomorrow to see what they can do. This is insane.
Actually, this one is worse than the one it replaced. I can't even access my DIR-655 UI now either. With the prevous one when this happened, I can at least still access the 655 and DAP-1522. Just makes no sense.
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I would make sure you're using 2.06 on the replacement 825 and strongly suggest using static IP addresses instead of DHCP addresses. First get the 825 working alone then start adding the 655 and the DAP. See the Dlink manual for how to connect to another router.
The other thing to try would be using the 655 as the main router and the 825 as a WAP and switch. That setup is working for me now.
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Thanks for the suggestions but I've done all of that already with the same results. The only thing I didn't want to do is update to 2.06NA just yet since the original one had that and still did the same thing. I'm going to give them a call to see what they can come up with.
I narrowed it down to basically the most basic set up, i.e., reset the router to factory and set it up to connect to the internet and only connected my primary PC to it and it still does the same thing. Makes no sense at all.
I do wonder if I reverse them, as you suggest, and make the 655 the primary and the 825 as the switch, if the same thing will happen. May be worth trying after talking to tech support. What's mind boggling is the router works perfectly fine but I have to unplug it to reboot it so the UI becomes accessible again.
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I might venture to say something else is going on thats not on the DLink or related to the DLink.
I would take the router(s) to say a friend, neighbor or families house with internet and a different PC and see if the problem follows. Try a different PC.
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Well, I have five different computers so I don't see the need to take it to a friend's. I did talk to a higher level support person and she had me chante the Internet MTU setting from the defautl of 1492 to 1484 and the lower teir rep had me go ahead and upgrade to 2.06NA.
One thing that did occur to me, while talking to the upper tier support rep, is that the D-Link gadget may also be contributing to this. For now, since the changes made and also I've removed the D-Link gadget, it's been about 3 hours and the router login page is accessible. That doesn't mean we've solved anything since at least once it was accessible after around 8 hours of up time. So we'll see.
I have a feeling it's that stupid desktop gadget that's the problem. I'm wondring if you wouldn't mind finding the gadget online and grabbing it and see if it does the same thing for you? If by tomorrow the set up page is still accessible, then I'm putting the gadget back on only one computer to see if it affects it just to verify it. But having someone else run into this with that gadget enabled would really be helpful.
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is this the DLink Yahoo gadget think for vista and 7?
Wow would be interesting that this would cause that. Let us know how it run with out it.
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It's the gadget listed here: http://www.dlink.com/widgets.
I don't have the Yahoo! Widget but the Gadget that Microsoft used to have available which is no longer available. However, if you can't get the gadget, let me know and I can get it to you somehow. I'll see if I can attach it to a PM and send it to you directly.
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ya using it now
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Well, my latest report is that I can still access the 825 login page since D-Link support and I made the changes. The significant one is me removing the D-Link Network Monitor. BTW, you can just click the X in the gadget to close it and remove it from the Desktop. It'll still be available in the Gadget's list. I know Microsoft, recently, has dropped/changed support for gadgets as the myriad of gadgets are no longer available.
Note that I had no issues with the DIR-655 while running the gadget on 3 different computers. I'll report back tomorrow and see if the page is still accessible. If it is, then I'll reenable the gadget on one computer and see if after that the 825 setup UI becomes inaccessible after some time.
BTW, you can use URL Snooper if you want to see what request commands are sent to the router. You can copy them and post them in a browser so you can see the XML results. I'm wondering if getting so many of these requests is not "compatible" with the 825 or is introducing a bug that D-Link may not even be aware of right now. In my case, whatever the "ping" frequency of these commands is, it was multiplied by 3 since I was running the gadget on 3 computers.
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Latest update is that I'm still able to access the router setup. I'll keep things the way they are through the evening, so about another 8 hours or so. This would be the longest stretch by far where the 825 has been up and the UI available. I think after that would be a good time to reenable the gadget to confirm it's the source of the problem and then call D-Link by later on Monday to give them the results.
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Keep us posted. Im running it on my 655 right now. Only thing i see is that every so often it displays an invalid ip addrees on the widget then it recovers.
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Like I said, I NEVER had any issues with the 655 so you shouldn't see any issues other than the occassional "bad IP" or password but those, for me, NEVER impacted the router's UI accessibility. I've had the 655 for almost 3 years now and never had any issues so I wouldn't waste your time on the 655. You should run it using the IP for your 825 since that's where the possible problem may be.
I'm still able to access the UI on the 825 as of right now.
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Might be a situation were the widget has become out of date and incompatIble w the HW.
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Yeah, it's definitely the Gadget. I started it about 3 hours ago and now the UI is busted again. I'd love to know if anyone else can confirm this please. I ran this on the PC that's directly connected to the router.
I will call D-Link and let them know.