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Title: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: koroziv on October 10, 2013, 07:06:40 AM
I am curios if it can handle 1000 mbps connections via pppoe. Does any owner of 868L has such an internet connection ? I'm thinking to get something like that and i hope that the hardware will suffice...
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: FurryNutz on October 10, 2013, 07:08:23 AM
Would depend on ISP services, ISP Modem support and ensuring that the signals to the ISP modem are good as well. Ask your ISP service about support for this kind of connection speeds.
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: koroziv on October 10, 2013, 07:26:13 AM
This has nothing to do with the provider, he gives 1000 the same way he gives 100 right now. I know that some routers can't handle even 100 mbps via pppoe (my old linksys e4200, thats why I have now 868L)
I have the fiber in the house, gpon ont ZTE zxa10 f625g. The only thing that the provider does is to change the limit for the pppoe user from 100 to 1000.
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: FurryNutz on October 10, 2013, 07:47:29 AM
The WAN connection on the WAN port can handle 1000Mb connections, weather or not the actual PPPoE on the router does, I'd ask D-Link support about this. I would presume it would if the WAN port connections are supported at that speed.
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: koroziv on October 10, 2013, 07:53:53 AM
I gues I have to wait and see, I'll test myself in about 3 weeks.
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: FurryNutz on October 10, 2013, 07:58:23 AM
Keep us posted and let us know what you find out.  ;)
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: koroziv on October 23, 2013, 03:38:08 AM
Do we have hardware nat on this thing ? I don't remember reading anything about it.
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: FurryNutz on October 23, 2013, 07:04:19 AM
I believe in it it self, this router is a NAT device...if not in bridge mode.
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: koroziv on October 23, 2013, 07:56:17 AM
 Some old cheap routers are using software nat (they suck), and i see that other manufacturers are advertising hardware nat on their best models (asus). Using hardware nat lets more cpu resources free resulting in higher throughput value. (i know, horrible english...)
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: FurryNutz on October 23, 2013, 08:08:41 AM
Ah, understand man... Ya, not sure about the 868L.. I think that something called "TrueGigabit Networking" could be this HW NAT or some forum of it. It's been only seen on a few other L series routers...it's on my 826L. 
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: koroziv on October 31, 2013, 07:23:16 AM
The 886L is not capable of gigabit speeds with pppoe
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/3069728878.png) (http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3069728878)

Connected directly to the pc i get 700+ mbps. So i have another useless device in my collection :(
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: FurryNutz on October 31, 2013, 07:34:03 AM
Did you phone contact D-Link support to ask about this?

I wish we had speeds like that here. Is this for a home or business?

I wouldn't call it exactly useless.
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: koroziv on October 31, 2013, 07:53:37 AM
Home, not business. I'll try to contact them in a few days, i'll wait to see what solution is given by the provider, i'm curious what hardware is in their router (zte h298n or something like that)
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: FurryNutz on October 31, 2013, 08:17:59 AM
Is Traffic Shaping and QOS enabled or disabled?

Keep us posted if you find out anything.
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: koroziv on October 31, 2013, 08:20:25 AM
All disabled; I will
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: koroziv on November 03, 2013, 12:17:40 AM
Back with some results from other clients of the same isp :

Ubiquiti edgemax lite : 200-220 mbps
assus ac66u : 140-150 mbps
dir 825 : 380-400 mbps
my dir 868L : 370-380 mbps

The provider offers the tplink wdr3600 and claims it will do 900+ mpbs, despite inferior hardware; i have no input from other users on this unit. What an insane isp to push 1000 mbps using pppoe....

But i hope dlink will get their brains together and release a capable fw, there is hope for some custom fw also but that is pretty far away in time and not a sure thing :(

Edit
Surprise from a user with asus n56u :510 mbps, official firmware1.0.1.8j

Another edit : the n56u updated to latest official fw (v3 I think) is doing 850 mbps
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: FurryNutz on November 03, 2013, 09:41:44 AM
You'll need to phone contact your regional D-Link support office and inquire about if the 868L is supporting those speeds on the WAN is. Please refrain from using in-appropriate language on the forums!!!  >:(

Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: koroziv on February 16, 2014, 06:10:28 PM
A beta firmware (1.05b01) from dlink is capble of 920+ mbps on pppoe connection:

Support send this fw to someone, but not to me; my attempts of communicating with them remain useless.
With newer fw, 1.06 or 1.07 is not going more than 350-380 mbps, so they know how to fix it but they chose not to :(
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: FurryNutz on February 16, 2014, 07:23:47 PM
You'll need to phone contact your regional D-Link support office and inquire about if the 868L is supporting those speeds on the WAN is.
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: koroziv on February 16, 2014, 08:50:29 PM
For an AC router, it should work out of the box at gigabit speed.  Why advertise 1200 or 1900 mbps wifi when you can't get more than 380 mbps wired ?!?
With that firmware linked above I get 920+ mbps, but I have other issues with it. If I play a song on my pc from my nas (local network) and start a speedtest on speedtest.net the song stops until the test is finished. This is not normal, asus n65u doesn't do this.
Also no fix yet for ipv6 dhcp pd.
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: FurryNutz on February 17, 2014, 07:32:33 AM
AC wireless speeds are connections speeds between the router and devices that support those connection speeds. They are not actual data xfer speeds, you do understand that right? Actual data xfer speeds differ from device connection speeds and will never be as you expect them.

If your getting 920+Mbs on the wire then I would presume that your getting good speeds as designed by D-Link and the router is working as designed.

If your listening to traffic and it's stops while your doing a speeds test, then I presume your configuration on the router, QoS or the PC is not correct and needs to be adjusted. I prefer not to do any streaming while doing speeds tests as it can effect gaining accurate results. Wired LAN speeds testing is only recommended as wireless speed testing has to many variables that can lead to inaccurate results.

IPv6 problems have been reported to D-Link. If you have more problems with IPv6, you'll need to phone contact D-Link support and have them help you with IPv6 configurations.



Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: koroziv on February 17, 2014, 08:43:05 PM
I know what to expect from an AC connection, but explain to me how an 1750 AC is useful when the router is not capable of more 350-380 mbps wired with official firmware. Anyway, i don't really care about wirelesses. They have provided a beta fw via email for testing that is capable of 920+ mbps wired, but it's a beta and not everyone has access to it.
I do not need help with the ipv6 config, other routers work perfectly whith the same configuration; they know about this issue for months and no fix yet.
Start a file transfer from local network to the pc, then start a speed test; in my case the file transfer stops completely and the speed test is not reaching  its maximum potential (about 100mbps less); the netwok is not responding any more.  
With other router the transfer speed slows down from 60 to about 16 MB/s, and the speedtest result is about 50-100 mbps below maximum; the functionality of the network is not afected. The qos is disabled for both routers, same file transferred, same settings all around.
Another test : torrent download; with dir 868L I got 70 MB/s max, with asus n65u 115 MB/s; same torrent file transferred. I do not consider this test relevant, to many factors involved and I have to repeat it 3 or 4 times with different files and trackers, but the start is not so good.
They are on the right track, but way to slow, and they are not testing properly before realising a new firmware.

edit: i see now that the link to the beta firmware was removed, why ?
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: FurryNutz on February 17, 2014, 08:48:39 PM
Links to non official D-Link sites for FW is not allowed in the forums.

Thank you.
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: koroziv on February 17, 2014, 08:56:53 PM
Ok, thanks for the info. Unfortunately I was not able to find that version on a D-Link site. 
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: FurryNutz on February 17, 2014, 08:58:41 PM
I'd communicate with your regional D-Link support site to see if they will post it as a released version or include the fix for this in the next release.
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: koroziv on February 17, 2014, 09:53:30 PM
All attempts made via support site remained unanswered :(
Yesterday I got an reply to an email that i sent at the only address from contact information on the website.
They asked for more info and I gave them screenshots, logs and saved config file, and detailed information about my experience with their product.
Title: Re: wan to lan pppoe performance
Post by: FurryNutz on February 18, 2014, 06:49:34 AM
I recommend always phone contacting D-Link support for more of an immediate response.