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Title: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 16, 2014, 02:53:07 PM
I already posted on the Xbox forums, so I will copy and paste:

the nat on my xbone is always goin from open to strict without notice, but it's usually always strict.

 I have tried everything, I even spent 375$ on different routersI. I think it may be my Modem, it is 16 yrs old.

on the Xbox I made a static ip, and on every router I bought I did all the port forwarding, and took Down the firewall.

i had a Cisco e1000, it worked ok, not great, with my 360, still had some issues. So I bought a Cisco e3000, a newer model. It kept going stric as well as it kept dropping signal to all the computers in the house. So I bought a d-linkac1300 dgl 5500, which I'm using now and I still have the same issue, but instead of the computers dropping signal, my gf's xbox is. And the nat still won't stay open.

I still own all 3 pod these routers, if someone could help . I was giving thought to buying a new modem, if you think that a would work.

and yes I connected my Xbox straight to the Modem and the NAT is open. but their are 5 people in my house so I can't hog the Internet.

I have a Motorola modem. Any advice or help at all?
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 16, 2014, 03:39:33 PM
Link>Welcome! (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=48135.0)


Internet Service Provider and Modem Configurations

Router and Wired Configurations
Some things to try: - Log into the routers web page at 192.168.0.1. Use IE, Opera or FF to manage the router. Besure to log into the Admin account on the router.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 16, 2014, 03:52:15 PM
I'm currently not at my house but ill give u what I now.

I have Comcast sable Internet: 25down 5up
Motorola modem. The small black skinny one its over 12yrs old.
My firmware is at the most recent, i know because I checked.
I turned on and off stream boost/ network trafficking.
I did most of the other things as well.
Before I had a 2.4 ghz router only. As soon as I bought dual bands it started happening, that's shouldn't have any effect on anything though,
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 16, 2014, 03:55:13 PM
Let us know what model the ISP modem is. Maybe time for a new modem if its that old. LOL

SB and ABE should be enabled. Others have multiple consoles working on the 5500. Also test the consoles direct LAN wired to the 5500.

Review the link about Furry's Review...

Let us know how it goes...We'll help you get NAT OPEN!
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 16, 2014, 04:02:56 PM
I tried a direct LAN to the router, it was still strict, if I reset the router and give it a static ip it works for a good while, but I have to do it every time I turn the Xbox on. But even then, my gf's xbox gets kicked off every 5 minutes.

 I won't be home for another 3 hours though
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 16, 2014, 05:40:55 PM
I'm going out to buy a new modem anyway tonight. The only place open is Walmart, if they have any modems, is their any recommendations for brands?
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: BiggShooter on April 16, 2014, 07:05:23 PM
I'm going out to buy a new modem anyway tonight. The only place open is Walmart, if they have any modems, is their any recommendations for brands?

If you're gonna do a Motorola modem, go with any of the "SurfBoard" models (SB 6141).  I use to have one and it worked great!  Since being forced to switch to VDSL, I no longer can use the Motorola modem   :(

I already posted on the Xbox forums, so I will copy and paste:

the nat on my xbone is always goin from open to strict without notice, but it's usually always strict.

Try disabling "Instant On" power mode and instead use "Energy-Saving" power mode.

Keep us posted.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 17, 2014, 07:23:31 AM
WE need to know what ISP service you are using? DSL or Cable?

If cable, we recommend Motorola SB 6 series stand alone modems. Very Good modems!

Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: VaultOverseer on April 17, 2014, 09:20:54 AM
Just upgraded my modem to the Motorola SB 6141 a few weeks back. I love it woks great with my DGL 5500! Got it at Walmart.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: VaultOverseer on April 17, 2014, 09:37:23 AM
Forgot to mention if you do get a new modem you may have to call your ISP to activate it.Oh and Xbox 360 slims built in wireless sucks if you can go wired to all the consoles. There's a sight I think it's called Cablediscounters.com with really cheap long cables. Consoles just run better wired.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 17, 2014, 09:48:46 AM
Regarding Xbox 360 Slim WiFi:
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=50107.0 (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=50107.0)
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 17, 2014, 11:04:53 AM
I checked my modem it's a surfboard, I think the numbers were 5101.

I did notice though that my nat is usually always open when my xbone is 192.168.0.106. When it's on automatic it usually tries to get this ip. But if another divorce in the house is using it and the xbone can't get it. It's usually always strict. Sometimes I will get 192.168.0.117 or something , if another device is 106, and its usually always strict.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 17, 2014, 11:07:13 AM
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 17, 2014, 11:19:19 AM
Oki will try that as soon as I get home, work 10am to 10pm (est) 6days a week.
I'll let you know how it works.
 And thanks for helping. I used to help out on the invisionfree support forums, so I know it can get frustrating at times. But I really do appreciate the help.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 17, 2014, 11:28:11 AM
Keep us posted...  ;)
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 17, 2014, 02:42:18 PM
If I setup the DHCP, and UPnP will that effect any of the computers/laptops in the house? Will I need to do anything with them?
I am the only one in the house who messes with the Internet/router, but I'm no genius with this stuff, lol.
I just want to know so I can have a heads up if everyone is goin to complain or not.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 17, 2014, 05:10:30 PM
DHCP and uPnP should already be enabled...
It's recommended to use reserved IP addresses ON the router for all devices...
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 17, 2014, 06:32:19 PM
Ok I'll try that as soon as I get home.
I always wondered if there was a way to reserve ip's for specific devices.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 17, 2014, 06:44:55 PM
Keep us posted...
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 17, 2014, 08:13:11 PM
The UPnP option on my router is under advance>firewall settings. I also can't find the UDP or TCP under firewall.
Just wanted to let u know.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 17, 2014, 09:33:58 PM
Ok i just did the reserve ip and i tgink the router took a **** because it went to reboot and now wheb you try to connect wirelessly it says authentication failed, or it just wont connect. I tried reseting to factory defaults, but it still doesnt work. The wired lan connections work, but nothing wireless. Im on my way to walmart to buys some more routera because i apparently am not supposed to have a working one

Bought a cisco EA6500 as well as a belkin AC1800.

But i did like my d link, so if anyone has any clue whats wrong with it, or just get it replaced?
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 18, 2014, 06:57:08 AM
Did you reset or reboot the client devices?

Honestly, I've never had any issues with this router and the configuration there of, including wireless...it's worked well.

I recommend testing Single mode N, WPA2/AES only, Chnl Width Auto 20/40Mh on 2.4Ghz...


Maybe someone can review your router settings with you using Link> teamviewer (http://www.teamviewer.com) if your interested. Its safe and secure.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 19, 2014, 11:28:45 AM
Well I'm getting the dgl 5500 replaced, but I got my Cisco to work well, only problem is I don't think that 25mbs Down and 5up is enough to run 2 xbox's. I am fine, but as soon as my gf goes to watch Netflix, I lag really bad. Is download speed the issue?
Also just like the dlink and other Cisco, the laptops keep dropping connection every hour or so. Any fixes for that?
I was looking for solutions and one said that if their are multiple wifi connections around(there are 5 around me) that I should put the channel on a specific frequency,rather than auto. It said this is a common problem with dual band routers. but I'm still having issues with laptops dropping out.

I was also wondering what's the limit for the dgl 5500 for MBS up a and down? Because if the Internet speed is the issue, I'm goin to get 105down and 10up. I will also need a Motorola sb6 series
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: VaultOverseer on April 19, 2014, 12:41:08 PM
I saw your Xbox post on the Xbox Forum I think? Anyway the Dgl 5500 with streamboost enabled should make everything run smooth. I don't think your 5500 is faulty if i caught it right your using the old modem i had a few years back it was a POS. It would crash out all the time. Look on the back if your if it's docsis 2.0 it won't handle your speeds. You need docsis 3.0!
Go to WM and buy the Motorola Sb6141 modem come home connect it call your cable provider and give them the mac address from the new modem.
Then if you still have your dgl 5500 connect it to the modem. Only have your PC and modem connected to the router. (this will help with reserving the ip addresses in a later step)
Reboot Router with factory defaults. Then go into streamboost setup page uncheck ABE then run the bandwidth test.
If it comes back wrong (not close to your isp speed) then put it back at 100.00 and 10.00 reboot router  again then test again within streamboost. It should be right if not then just type it in.
Then go to your network page at the bottom you should see your pc with the ip address 192.168.0.100 on the left side there is a button that says reserve (click it) the boxes right above that will fill with that info. You can change the name to something like my pc or whatever so you know the device.
Then connect one device at a time after (phones xbox's whatever)
Repeat the last step after every new connection and name it.
So this way you know for example that your pc is at ip 196.168.0.100 your next is a Xbox and it's at 192.168.0.101 so on for each device so you can keep track.
Once every device is connected go to the  priorities page and put each device the way you want. Save.
(note) I like my Xbox One up top at 1 followed by each other Xbox and devices.

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Back to what i said at first. If the modem you have is the one i had kinda looks like a spaceship and stands up it's one that i had my isp told me it cant handle the speeds and to upgrade to docsis 3.0 cable modem.
Your isp may have one. ( A docsis 3.0 cable modem)
Charter my isp did i used it for awhile it was ok but i suggest just to buy your own. That way you know exactly what you have. An some isp's charge a fee for renting a modem i'd check your bill. Yet another reason just to buy your own modem.

If you need any help I can get on my xbox and chat to help you out. I'll also keep an eye here for any questions.



Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 19, 2014, 01:45:48 PM
Vaultoverseer knows how I role. All I do is work and all I want after work is to come home and play some Xbox, so I don't care how much it cost, I just want it to run correctly.

Overseer I will go to Walmart after work today and get a new sb modem. I am also goin to try to get my dlink replaced ASAP. But keep in mind that the Cisco ea6500 has all these features as well and when I set everything up like I would have on the dlink, my nat was open. But, since my down speed is only 25mbs, I had to priorities my xbone so it always gets at least 15000kbs or 15mbs, so it doesn't lag.

This brings me to my next point, I am getting Comcast burst Internet package with 105mbps down. Which is why I must by a better SB modem. The SB 5101 only has a maximum of 35mbs down.

So it is Easter and my ISP will be closed, so I will call them Monday, and get them to activate it.

If you want to add me on XBL my gt: "Full BASS Drop". Because I have 24800 watts in my truck. Lol
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 19, 2014, 04:54:22 PM
An SB 6 series modem would be recommended. I'm enjoying my 6180.  ;D
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 20, 2014, 08:54:43 PM
Nobody carried the sb6141 I was told they are becoming obsolete. Most places told me they were replaced by netgears. They did however order me a SBG6580 which is bridge able.

I also got my dlink replaced.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 21, 2014, 08:31:14 AM
Keep us posted...  ;)
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 21, 2014, 10:46:10 AM
I actually got everything working both with the dlink and the Cisco.

I still only have 25mbs download speed, but we are upgrading to 50mbs in a few days.

I never used to have issues with lagging games on my 360, but I guess the Xbox one uses more bandwidth.

I can run my xbone on 25mbs but it takes 15-20mbs out of the 25mbs. This means if someone is streaming something, I lag, and quite a bit. This is where the Cisco came in handy. In the Cisco setting for prioritization you can give a minimum amount of bandwidth that is always goin to the devices on the priority list. So I put my Xbox one on the list and set it to always have 15000kbs, and since then I haven't had an issue.

The down side to doing this is it only left the rest of the house with 10mbs, and this is why we are upgrading.

And the issue with the laptops, I have solved as well. I had to turn off the 5ghz band, also if you have a guest network, disabling that can help, and also changing the frequency-channel of my 2.4ghz from auto to a static channel. (I needed to try several channels before I found one that worked).

I will be getting my SBG6580 tommorow(I hope). I will call my ISP, and have it set up and upgrade my plan. Then all I should have to do is put the modem into bridge mode, which I have been reading a lot about as well. I would use the internal router/wifi but I bout a Cisco E1000, Cisco EA3500, CiscoEA6500, And a DGL5500. So I might as well use them, I'll probably sell the rest online to get some money back.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 21, 2014, 10:50:27 AM
Glad you got it working better.

Let us know how it goes when you get the higher ISP services. It will be a good test to run the 5500 as the main host router and AP to see how it works with the new speeds.

 ;)
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 21, 2014, 03:02:22 PM
I'll keep you posted.
Now that I have educated myself with what most of the different settings are on the router UI, I think I've got the hang of it. I'm also goin to test it with both the higher and lower end cisco's that I have.

P.s.
Fuzzy, do you know any websites that are good tutorial on how a wireless router UI works? I have learned a lot already, but u can never know too much.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 21, 2014, 03:51:43 PM
Try Wikipedia or smallnetbuilder for some info...
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 24, 2014, 11:29:51 AM
Well I upgraded my Internet, I now have 105down and 10up.

Now my problem is the bandwidth is always sporadic, and this is for both the dlink and linksys. I have stream boost/media prioritization off on both of them and everything set the way it should. But when I doo a speed test the results are sporadic. I will test it wired to the router and sometimes I will get 111down and 11up and other times I will get 30-70down and 11up. My up always stays the same, wired or wireless. If I test it wireless the most I get is 75down(linksys), 65(down)dlink and 10-11up. And sometimes I may only get 15-40down wireless. The up speed never really gets effected

I seem to get the high readings when I 1st do the test, then if I do the test again a minute later it is always lower.

My modem is the SBG6580, I have in bridge mode because the internal router sucks
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 24, 2014, 11:37:13 AM
Are you testing different site servers on speedtest.net? ST is not the most accurate site for speeds testing and depending on your location, there could be other day time traffic that could be effecting results. Chose other near by server sites.

I recommend that you speed test with your ISP serivce if they offer any features like that. Some do like mine.

Also, I recommend that you have your ISP check the cabling going to the ISP modem, check signal levels going to the ISP modem. For cable Internet, RG-6 coaxial cable is needed, not RG-59. Check for t.v. line splitters and remove them as they can introduce noise on the line and lower the signal going to the ISP modem. Connecting to the ISP modem could result in a false positive as the signal to the modem could be just enough to that point then adding on a router, could see problems. The router operation is dependent upon getting good data flow from the ISP modem and the modem is dependent upon getting good signal from the ISP Service.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 24, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
I not home right now, but I think it nay be on s splitter for the tv. I'm not sure what kind of cable it is, does it say it on the cable itself?
Also I never had any issues like this we had the 25down 5up
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 24, 2014, 11:55:00 AM
Most cabing is labled.

Ya, well, your in the big leagues now. Anything could happen.  ::)
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 24, 2014, 12:01:20 PM
I did all this just so I wouldn't lag, and could stream to twitch.

I don't lag anymore, but when I'm streaming the signal drops out, not as often anymore though. Used to get a half hour max before it dropped out, but I streamed for about 3-4 hours before I had issues.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 24, 2014, 12:14:48 PM
What devices are you using for streaming and on which radio frequency?
How far away is the Device from the router?
What are the current WiFi settings?
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 24, 2014, 12:47:40 PM
I just recently got into streaming. So I'm not sure. I know I use an elgato Capture card, my pc is windows 8 and I use OBS to stream.  I use my computer on the 2.4ghz frequency because the 5ghz doesn't reach my room. Actually I usually just disable the 5ghz because nobody uses it.

My router(s), I've tried the linksys for stream , I haven't tried the dlink yet. I have media prioritizing on ( it seems to run better this way) so that I can dedicate 45mbs download speed to my Xbox and pc, and the rest is for everyone else. UPnP is on, I have all the reservations on the ip addresses in the DHCP setting. Ipv4 and ipv6  are enabled. I have my channel width set to 20mhz only and the channel is set to 9(instead of auto) because the laptops kept dropping connection.

Everything else is pretty much default.

And my router is probably 40-50 feet away
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 24, 2014, 01:03:23 PM
Eh, ya, 2.4Ghz streaming and at that range in distance, probably will fail. Thats up on the outer limits for 2.4Ghz and if there has any building materials in between, could also hamper some connection and signal strength. I personally don't stream on 2.4Ghz. Gaming maybe. 5ghz is best for streaming though. Understand about 5Ghz not getting there.

Can you test streaming at a closer range? Say 15-20 feet?
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 24, 2014, 01:28:13 PM
I did run a 50ft ethernet wire under the house for my 360 because I have a old white brick. I could do the same for my laptop, but I'd prefer not and that's only for one reason. My room is only 17.8ft by 7ft. I practically stay in a large closet. Lol. So me and wires don't like each other in the limited space. But I could run another Ethernet cable if you think it would work.

I stream at my buds house and he has Verizon and he rents their modem/router combo and when I stream there, I have no issues, but then again my laptop is in the same room as the router.

I really do need to get the sporadic bandwidth checked out though, because I think that's a problem as well. I get his and it always shows 50/25 even if its tested again 10 seconds later.

If I test mine one right after another it drops more and more each time.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 24, 2014, 01:37:50 PM
If you already have one LAN cable under the house to your room, why not add one of these to the end of the cable in your room then connect up all of your devices to it:
http://www.dlink.com/us/en/home-solutions/connect/switches/dgs-105-5-port-gigabit-ethernet-switch (http://www.dlink.com/us/en/home-solutions/connect/switches/dgs-105-5-port-gigabit-ethernet-switch)

They come in 8 port too.

I have one in my room and one in the living room, both are connected to my 24pt in the office thats connected to the router.


FYI, I don't recommend speed testing over WiFi, specially that those distances. Ya you get good signal in same room environments however increasing the distances the signal will drop. Also there is too many variables with Wifi to get accurate results. Always speed test over LAN Wire.  ;)
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 24, 2014, 01:45:02 PM
Holy sh......you mean those are compatible with a router, I always thought you could only have one or the other....like the switch/splitter or a router.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 24, 2014, 01:49:50 PM
Oh no...I don't know exactly how many you could actually daisy chain however 2-3 after the router works well. I have an old NG router in the far end of the living room set up as a wired AP connected to the 2nd switch there, works great.

I recommend switches. Avoid using WiFi for heavy loads if you can run LAN wire. Use WiFi for general internet surfing, phones and such. Especially on 2.4Ghz. Stream or game on 5Ghz if your in closer range, 10-15 feet with out any walls or building materials..one wooden wall is ok.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 24, 2014, 01:59:53 PM
Do you think that range extenders would help, or don't chance it?
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 24, 2014, 02:11:04 PM
possible...again I wouldn't play games or do heavy streaming with them...there would be some performance issues
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 24, 2014, 03:00:21 PM
left work early, I checked comcasts setup. they have one coax coming into the house, then into a signal booster, then it comes out of the booster into a bunch of splitters. should I call Comcast and have them do something? I am not sure what they would do.

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Never Mind I did A double check and their is a coax dedicated to the modem., but I still cant tell the weight of the cable, its not on it.

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Also I would like to let you know that the router is sitting on top of a old metal computer tower, with a tv 2 feet away to the right,mind the whole house is to the right of the router, the front door is to the left.

I keep telling my father he needs to move the mode and router but its a losing battle.

_________________________
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Ive been doing speed tests wired and wireless since I got home, ane my wired tests are always great anywhere from 97-115. but wireless is still sporadic anywhere from 15mbs-60mbs

I guess the connection just needed a day to settle in. because as said, the wired connection is usually always in the ballpark.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 24, 2014, 09:29:23 PM
I went to best buy and bought some CAT 6 Cables and a Switch. Its not DLnk, im sorry they did not have any, but they did have a 8 port gigabit NG. and my speeds have been great. im getting ready to stream, ill let you know how it goes.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 24, 2014, 10:05:40 PM
Any mfr home class switch will work. Keep is posted on your results.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on April 24, 2014, 11:02:11 PM
I streamed for awhile, and no issues wired, went wireless and not even 10 minutes in I started dropping frames and losing connection, I went back to wired, and everything was great again. speed tests are usually always spot on(Wired) 99-107mbs down, an always 11 up.

so I made al my consoles ire, except my wii, nd wii u because ...what do they really nee high speeds for? lol
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on April 25, 2014, 07:01:12 AM
So I presume the Wifi issue is fixed since the distance it probably too far.

Hows the Xbox NAT status?
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on May 01, 2014, 02:24:08 PM
Any status on this?  ???
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FatalError379 on May 03, 2014, 03:01:20 AM
yes, Sorry I have been overwhelmed with work. I have gotten my NAT open on both the D-Link and Cisco, even with my GF using her 360. I'm not sure if her NAT is open or not, I don't check because it doesn't hinder her, he just watches Netflix. She doesn't do much online gaming.

I a currently using the cisco, because it still kicks the computers offline and I am determined to figure out the issue. I am persistent, and it will bother me until I figure it out. its only cisco "SMART" Router that do I, the old ones work fine.

With the switch run in my room a everything running with LAN I am getting speeds up to 118mbs Down, 11Up

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/3477837598.png)
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat (RESOLVED)
Post by: FurryNutz on May 03, 2014, 03:03:35 PM
Awesome, sounds good man. Glad it's working great for you.

Enjoy.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on June 24, 2014, 12:27:51 PM
Finally:  ;)
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=59817.0 (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=59817.0)
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on June 26, 2014, 12:09:09 PM
FYI, Just in from D-Link, there is still issues with XBL1 and behaviors of this router and MS is currently working on this with D-Link. Any issues with XB1 or XBL needs to be taken up with MS. The ball is in there court at this time.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: Hard Harry on June 29, 2014, 02:32:17 AM
I think the Xbox One uses some kind of ARP command to check to see if a IP it wants to use is in use. And if it doesn't get a response, it uses the same IP it was using before. However if devices are using that IP and just not responding, that might explain the conflict. And thats also why a full reset usually works.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: dyvurcz on August 02, 2014, 05:21:54 AM
Any update on this?  It's been quite some time I may have to switch routers until this thing is sorted.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: VaultOverseer on August 02, 2014, 08:37:06 AM
Are you using the latest fw?
I'm personally not because of the bugs but I wonder if the strict Nat issue was fixed.
I have a 360 and a One what's odd is both will be open until I turn one off. Normally the Xbox One will go strict after.
You can go into the Xbox One network settings and clear alternate Mac and your Nat will return to open.
In the case of getting another router I would hold off looking at the Xbox website and Reddit lots of routers are having this issue with the Xbox One.
Although I have herd a few routers don't and work fine.

If this hasn't been fixed hopefully dlink locks it down this is a "gaming router" seems that they would know two consoles could be in the same household.

Anything yet Furry beta or anything or are they still quiet?

Edit: Just thought of this. Can you go completely static on one Xbox. By setting one Xbox outside the dhcp range. You know a true static IP.
I can't try this until next week when I get my new Ethernet cable.
Can you try this please and let me know?!
I think it should work!
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Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: dyvurcz on August 03, 2014, 05:08:20 AM
I am using the latest FW now but have had this prob with other fw's as well.  Pretty much tried every single thing I can think of.  NAT on the xb1 goes strict after turning it off unless you put it in power saving mode, using instant on is the problem they need to fix.  I will try putting both of my xb1's outside of dhcp range and see what happens. 
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on August 03, 2014, 09:05:13 AM
Still all quiet on both fronts.  :-\

Does this happen if both game consoles are on? or just the XB1?
Was the reset performed on both to chear the network cache, turned OFF fully then back on?

Keep us posted on the use of static IPs.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: VaultOverseer on August 03, 2014, 10:24:49 AM
It depends on what console Is on last.
SB has a 15min wait period that it keeps the device alive.
So depending on witch console sb drops first the other will go strict.
Witch makes me wonder is this issue sb related?
Mention this to dlink it might help.

I know alot of routers have this issue what's odd though is if both consoles are on at exactly the same time nether go strict.
At least testing a 360 and a one.
Clearing and resetting xboxs doesn't help.
It's only a few min after sb drops it does the other go strict.

I've tried Evey possible combo with Dmz with pf resetting upnp.
Last thing to try is outside the dhcp range.
When I can test a static outside of dhcp I'll share my results.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on August 03, 2014, 10:29:53 AM
Are you using PF settings? If you are, you need to disable uPnP. You really shouldn't be using PF if you have more than one game console. uPnP should be handling multiple consoles with SB and ABE enabled.

I would agree, there maybe some issues at the MS level.  ::)
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: VaultOverseer on August 03, 2014, 10:45:58 AM
It could very well be MS.
I think it's sb though in watching the results live.
I've never tried the energy saving on Xbox one witch I know is a possible work around.
I know you don't own a one yet but that's a really nice thing that you just don't wanna turn off.
Saying Xbox On when you get on is just nice plus it updates in the background.
So ill try outside dhcp and share wish me luck.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: dyvurcz on August 04, 2014, 07:57:17 AM
What is this?!!  You mean to tell me I can run this from one of the dgl 5500 ports and have 8 extra ports?!! With no speed issues etc?

If you already have one LAN cable under the house to your room, why not add one of these to the end of the cable in your room then connect up all of your devices to it:
http://www.dlink.com/us/en/home-solutions/connect/switches/dgs-105-5-port-gigabit-ethernet-switch (http://www.dlink.com/us/en/home-solutions/connect/switches/dgs-105-5-port-gigabit-ethernet-switch)

They come in 8 port too.

I have one in my room and one in the living room, both are connected to my 24pt in the office thats connected to the router.


FYI, I don't recommend speed testing over WiFi, specially that those distances. Ya you get good signal in same room environments however increasing the distances the signal will drop. Also there is too many variables with Wifi to get accurate results. Always speed test over LAN Wire.  ;)
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on August 04, 2014, 08:06:29 AM
Yes you can run any Gb un-managed network switch from any Mfr routers LAN port. I have a 24pt switch and two 8pt switches.

What is this?!!  You mean to tell me I can run this from one of the dgl 5500 ports and have 8 extra ports?!! With no speed issues etc?

Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: dyvurcz on August 04, 2014, 08:38:27 AM
Thats awesome! I need 5 more ports for devices so i'll be getting one for certain.

Yes you can run any Gb un-managed network switch from any Mfr routers LAN port. I have a 24pt switch and two 8pt switches.

Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on August 04, 2014, 08:57:00 AM
Whats taking you so long SIR. LOL.

Let us know what you get.  ;)
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: VaultOverseer on August 04, 2014, 09:14:17 AM
Thats awesome! I need 5 more ports for devices so i'll be getting one for certain.


I just got a 5 port dlink switch from office depot for $15. Waiting on Ethernet cord from ups so I can hook it up.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on August 04, 2014, 09:15:13 AM
And it didn't come with one. LOL. Ah Dang.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: dyvurcz on August 04, 2014, 12:14:10 PM
I know man i'm late to the party! lol just got a dgs 108 off ebay for $25! Can't wait to get it.

Whats taking you so long SIR. LOL.

Let us know what you get.  ;)
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on August 04, 2014, 12:16:50 PM
Awesome price. Ya you can find some good stuff on fleabay and amazon.  ;)
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: dyvurcz on August 04, 2014, 03:14:17 PM
yea definitely! On another note, I was able to put one of my xb1 consoles outside of the dhcp range with no issues but the second one for some reason doesn't work.  when I try the second it doesn't connect to the net.  Could it be possibly because the second is connected to the dap?
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on August 04, 2014, 05:40:58 PM
Yes, can you get the 2nd XB1 on wired direct to the 5500?
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: dyvurcz on August 04, 2014, 06:51:01 PM
No unfortunately not but doing the one console may have done something.  I've had my second console off in standby mode for a few hours now and just checked its still open.  If it's still open in the morning we may be on to something.

Yes, can you get the 2nd XB1 on wired direct to the 5500?
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on August 04, 2014, 06:53:06 PM
Keep us posted.  ::)
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: dyvurcz on August 05, 2014, 11:17:16 AM
This almost seems too good to be true but both of my xb1's are still open.  I'm going to go thru the day and test again first thing in the morning tomorrow.  If things remain the same this is absolutely a work around!  one of my consoles would have been strict by now normally just don't want to get to excited.  Be back tomorrow lol.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on August 05, 2014, 11:19:06 AM
What did you do?  ???
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: dyvurcz on August 05, 2014, 11:52:29 AM
All I did was change one of my xb1's to an ip outside of the dhcp range and that seems to have done the trick.  We'll see what happens tomorrow when I wake up.

What did you do?  ???
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on August 05, 2014, 12:01:43 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on August 08, 2014, 06:59:21 AM
Preferred method of connecting would be:
ISP modem>DGL-5500<GB swtich<>Any LAN wired connected devices to switch.
                                    <Xbox or other LAN wired connected devices to DGL-5500.

Link> Cat6 LAN cable is recommended. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAT6)


I know man i'm late to the party! lol just got a dgs 108 off ebay for $25! Can't wait to get it.

Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: VaultOverseer on August 08, 2014, 12:08:50 PM
Got my cord  ;D yea!

So I tried to get my 360 and One both to open nat.
An nope my idea didn't work  :'(  however something odd happened last night.
I had my One on then turned my 360 on.
I needed to clear cache on the 360 so I did so also reset network on the 360.
It came back on and showed open nat. I was all like whaaaat.
Checked on my Xbox One witch was still on and open.
Yea open nat on both!  ;D

I check again this morning an ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D open nat on both.
I turn on my Xbox One then the 360 there both open.
Haven't tried the other way don't wanna jinx it.

As a note though I finally got onto the Xbox One preview program.
So I'm an few updates ahead of the pack dunno if it's been fixed or what?
I'm open on both so I'm happy!  ;D

Dunno if this works on the two Xbox Ones issue though?
I guess we'll find out when the update goes live for the rest of xbl.
Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on August 08, 2014, 12:28:46 PM
Is the Instant On feature still enabled on the XB1?

Glad it's working better now...
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: dyvurcz on August 08, 2014, 12:59:23 PM
I'm also in the preview program and this latest update put one of my consoles back to strict unfortunately  :( had to do a hard reset to get open again so no it's not fixed.  I had open for 2 consecutive days tho for once so hopefully they are making progress just not there yet.  On another note Furry check out my new speeds  ;) lol

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/3677186384.png) (http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3677186384)

Got my cord  ;D yea!

So I tried to get my 360 and One both to open nat.
An nope my idea didn't work  :'(  however something odd happened last night.
I had my One on then turned my 360 on.
I needed to clear cache on the 360 so I did so also reset network on the 360.
It came back on and showed open nat. I was all like whaaaat.
Checked on my Xbox One witch was still on and open.
Yea open nat on both!  ;D

I check again this morning an ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D open nat on both.
I turn on my Xbox One then the 360 there both open.
Haven't tried the other way don't wanna jinx it.

As a note though I finally got onto the Xbox One preview program.
So I'm an few updates ahead of the pack dunno if it's been fixed or what?
I'm open on both so I'm happy!  ;D

Dunno if this works on the two Xbox Ones issue though?
I guess we'll find out when the update goes live for the rest of xbl.
Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on August 08, 2014, 01:05:13 PM
Now you had to go a brag about that. Well then see how you are. You deserve Moderate NAT. HA. J/K. Must be nice. I'm still down there at 50/3.  ::) At least mine works, hehe.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on August 08, 2014, 01:07:55 PM
AN this is while connected to the DGL-5500? Wow. At least you can confirm that this router works on ISP speed packages over 100Mb now.  ;D

What FW version is currently loaded?

Post this here:
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=55013.0 (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=55013.0)

I'm also in the preview program and this latest update put one of my consoles back to strict unfortunately  :( had to do a hard reset to get open again so no it's not fixed.  I had open for 2 consecutive days tho for once so hopefully they are making progress just not there yet.  On another note Furry check out my new speeds  ;) lol

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/3677186384.png) (http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3677186384)

Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: dyvurcz on August 08, 2014, 03:36:00 PM
Yea it def works over 100mb lol.  I'm on 1.12 don't remember which build tho.  To get the full speed I have to set my up and down to 200/200 in SB tho.  If I set it to the 150/150 that it should be I consistently get 135/135 during speed test. Not sure why its throttled. 

AN this is while connected to the DGL-5500? Wow. At least you can confirm that this router works on ISP speed packages over 100Mb now.  ;D

What FW version is currently loaded?

Post this here:
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=55013.0 (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=55013.0)

Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on August 08, 2014, 07:06:36 PM
What do you get if you let SB detect the speed automatically?
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: dyvurcz on August 13, 2014, 08:18:30 PM
Sorry for the late response.  ABE never worked for me at all.  I get like 80/50 lol not even close.

What do you get if you let SB detect the speed automatically?
 
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on August 14, 2014, 06:56:40 AM
So ABE is disabled and you set a manual value and SB is enabled?
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: dyvurcz on August 18, 2014, 07:11:13 AM
yup you got it.  I've never been able to use ABE with any success, and always have SB enabled.

So ABE is disabled and you set a manual value and SB is enabled?
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on August 18, 2014, 07:17:21 AM
Ok. Well please be patient. I feel that changes are a foot. I hope. I've made D-Link aware of this.
Title: Re: Xbox one strict nat
Post by: FurryNutz on November 06, 2014, 03:22:25 PM
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=60972.0 (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=60972.0)