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Title: 655 + intel wifi link 5300 + N band = fail
Post by: poopdawg27 on July 10, 2009, 09:21:51 PM
This configuration for me causes MASSIVE latency in games like 500ms+  where as using the G band gives me more like 20-70mbps and I'm not jumping about sporadically.  I tried enabling/disabling just about every QoS/multicast, tried every possible permutation of security, channel, 802.11 band configuration, and channel width.  It seems the only variable making the difference is connecting via the N band.  I have an unsolved thread over at notebookreviewforums here-

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=376453
Title: Re: 655 + intel wifi link 5300 + N band = fail
Post by: Demonized on July 11, 2009, 04:54:48 AM
There are more complaints about the 5300 chipset, regardless of the routers used. IMHO it's a driver issue.
Title: Re: 655 + intel wifi link 5300 + N band = fail
Post by: ttmcmurry on July 11, 2009, 07:33:18 AM
Do you live in an apartment complex or a home in a neighborhood?
Title: Re: 655 + intel wifi link 5300 + N band = fail
Post by: poopdawg27 on July 11, 2009, 09:54:00 AM
hmm well ive always tried with the most up to date drivers on the intel website...and there are a couple other access points nearby, but all are running G-band.  Results on the N band would give me great *throughput* (faster transfer speed) but the connection would be extremely laggy.  Very very high latencies.
Title: Re: 655 + intel wifi link 5300 + N band = fail
Post by: Demonized on July 11, 2009, 11:41:58 AM
there are so many variables that influence it. Distance, obstructions etc. So it is hard to say what's the  cause
Title: Re: 655 + intel wifi link 5300 + N band = fail
Post by: poopdawg27 on July 11, 2009, 11:56:21 AM
to give some further information, the 5300 works flawless with 300mbps N on other routers i've tried. 
Title: Re: 655 + intel wifi link 5300 + N band = fail
Post by: Clancy on July 11, 2009, 12:45:33 PM
This configuration for me causes MASSIVE latency in games like 500ms+  where as using the G band gives me more like 20-70mbps and I'm not jumping about sporadically.  I tried enabling/disabling just about every QoS/multicast, tried every possible permutation of security, channel, 802.11 band configuration, and channel width.  It seems the only variable making the difference is connecting via the N band.  I have an unsolved thread over at notebookreviewforums here-

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=376453
In your notebookreview thread, someone named "hovercraftdriver" made this suggestion:
"Also, if I may suggest TCP optimizer at Speedguide.net: http://www.speedguide.net/downloads.php ; it's a very nice app that eliminates/improves a bunch of latency/speed problems. If you are knowledgeable, you can configure your own settings. If not, there is an auto-configure option based on a few simple input parameters."

I had similar problems until I used the aforementioned tool. Using it, I found that my MTU was actually 1472 instead of the recommended 1492. I also calculated my TCP Receive Window and the combination of the 2 freed up everything. Check to see if you have the Windows QOS driver loading in your Network Connection Settings. If so, disable it as well.
Title: Re: 655 + intel wifi link 5300 + N band = fail
Post by: ttmcmurry on July 11, 2009, 07:45:09 PM
I don't believe that changing the MTU is appropriate.  That only affects WAN communication (i.e. cable/dsl modem).  No matter the packet size on the LAN side, it always is 1500 on the way out to the internet unless the MTU is  changed. 

Both G & N use a 2376 bytes packet size (it's a standard!), you could change this.. but why?

I've suggested, in many posts on this forum, to try using InSSIDer (http://www.metageek.net/products/inssider).  Scope out your area and see what happens.  You may find that there is too much traffic on the 2.4GHz band to get reliable Wireless-G and/or N service.  It made all the difference for me in NYC.
Title: Re: 655 + intel wifi link 5300 + N band = fail
Post by: Clancy on July 11, 2009, 09:25:14 PM
I don't believe that changing the MTU is appropriate.  That only affects WAN communication (i.e. cable/dsl modem).  No matter the packet size on the LAN side, it always is 1500 on the way out to the internet unless the MTU is  changed. 

Both G & N use a 2376 bytes packet size (it's a standard!), you could change this.. but why?

I've suggested, in many posts on this forum, to try using InSSIDer (http://www.metageek.net/products/inssider).  Scope out your area and see what happens.  You may find that there is too much traffic on the 2.4GHz band to get reliable Wireless-G and/or N service.  It made all the difference for me in NYC.

I can't dispute what you say. All I can offer is my real life experience with adjusting my MTU and Receive window size. Prior to these adjustments, I never got the band width (speed) I paid for.
Title: Re: 655 + intel wifi link 5300 + N band = fail
Post by: poopdawg27 on July 11, 2009, 10:21:38 PM
why would G work and the N not on the same 2.4 ghz band...  I used inssider and it seems my network is dominating channels 8-12 or so
Title: Re: 655 + intel wifi link 5300 + N band = fail
Post by: davevt31 on July 11, 2009, 10:46:24 PM
why would G work and the N not on the same 2.4 ghz band...  I used inssider and it seems my network is dominating channels 8-12 or so
Part of the WIFI "N" spec is that it has to be a "Good Neighbor" to any G/B Networks.  It will throttle down if it senses other networks.
Title: Re: 655 + intel wifi link 5300 + N band = fail
Post by: ttmcmurry on July 12, 2009, 08:24:22 AM
why would G work and the N not on the same 2.4 ghz band...  I used inssider and it seems my network is dominating channels 8-12 or so

The short explanation is you have a G channel and one or two N channels (remember the 20/40 mhz width?).  The N channels can be in either the 2.4 or 5 GHz band, however the DIR-655 has only 2.4 GHz radios. 

Can you post a screenshot of inSSIDer on here so we can see what your environment looks like?  Use imageshack.com if you need to :)