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Title: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: Lycan on November 18, 2009, 10:48:08 AM
I'm looking for concise feedback on 1.21b03 with both a1 and a2 hardware users. I've started a new thread because Ru_Fi_Oh is no longer handling this and I'd like to get an idea of what people think about this firmware.

Please no editorializing or complaining about the product. I am simply looking to see if the firmware corrects EVERYBODYS issues or just A2/A1 or what.

Please leave DETAILED to the point information. Ranting will be deleted and your account will be banned.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: Craiji on November 18, 2009, 01:42:36 PM
A1 user.

No more lockups

But at times download speed, both over LAN and wireless will slow to a crawl, upload speeds are always fine, will power cycle and everything will be better - very random when it will(sometimes twice a day, sometimes fine for over a week) but it does happen.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: Lycan on November 18, 2009, 02:01:56 PM
Thats good info. Are you using QoS? Does disabling the QOS seem to correct this slowdown?\
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: wired203 on November 18, 2009, 02:25:02 PM
I have yet to upgrade however I was wondering if something would be possible that may help you on your endevor.  I always seem to notice the biggest question is what is everyones settings,  wouldn't it be possible to have people with issues just do a backup and then perhaps PM you with them so you could get the fullest picture of what settings everyone is using,  and then compare it with issues the different people are having occur?

Just a thought that may help.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: cdahl on November 18, 2009, 02:35:57 PM
using 1.21.  A1 .  I am experiencing lockouts about once a week since 9/18/09 release (a big improvement!!)  Lockouts primarily involve wireless clients.  When I reboot router all is fine.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: Legionx on November 18, 2009, 10:05:38 PM
I have an A1 experiencing no lockups i have QOS enabled but no rules at the moment and have DNS relay disabled. I find with DNS relay enabled i was getting slower speeds and random disconnects on wireless. With it disabled everything seems to be fine.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: opruitt on November 18, 2009, 10:10:30 PM
I'm on A1 hardware and have been running the 1.21NA(beta 3) firmware for one month.  This has cured all my lockups.  I still get the very rare (< 1 per week) slowdown for 1-2 mins.  Of course this can be due to an external issue with my provider.  I have always had this issue with various routers.  But the slowdown always clears it's self up with out needing a reset of the router.

BTW, I have no "special" settings.  I just used the setup wiz for config for wireless and left ALL settings at their defaults.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: sirshaw on November 19, 2009, 11:10:10 AM
A1 User here

No connection drops at all since the newest firmware (1.21B03)

I have noticed that the wireless could use some work

I have a 10Mbit download and a 1Mbit upload.  I was using wired and could obtain those speeds downloading large files or streaming.

I switched to wireless n and after tinkering for a while the best I could sustain on a download was between 200-400Kbps.  The downloads would start out at around 1-3Mbps and quickly diminish over the course of about a minute.

I have two machines with wireless n cards in them.  one is an intel based chipset and the other is a rockwell.  I get an average of about 180Mbps-210Mbps on both and the router is in the next room.  Ive tried following the guide for 300Mbps for wireless and it does stay at that until I start surfing the web/gaming/streaming multimedia then the connection becomes very unstable speed wise and Ive seen it go down to around 60Kbps at times.  The only way Ive got it to be semi stable is to disable security completely (yes I know this is a security hole).

Any tweaks for the A1 that I should be made aware of to even my connection out, does the A2 have this problem?

Ive tried switching wireless channels and that still didn't help. Does anyone have any suggestions?  Other than the wireless, this thing hasnt been a problem.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: FurryNutz on November 19, 2009, 12:27:15 PM
Good up time on A1 HW with 1.21 B3 FW. Wired connections and Xbox Live performs great. No drops or reboots.

I'm getting a 270Mb Connection on a Macbook Pro with the N only wireless. Been doing 200Mb file downloads over it and usually see about 140-190KB down avg. Depending on the site. I need to run some xfers on internal Lan to see what there speeds are. Home network is all Gb Lan. Have seen some drops in connections using wireless. Haven't seen any in a while though. Would like to see improvements to stability on wireless N.

IP Reservations, SPI, Gameing and Gamefuel is enabled, Dynamic Defrag is off along with DNS relay.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: Legionx on November 19, 2009, 03:32:21 PM
A1 User here

No connection drops at all since the newest firmware (1.21B03)

I have noticed that the wireless could use some work

I have a 10Mbit download and a 1Mbit upload.  I was using wired and could obtain those speeds downloading large files or streaming.

I switched to wireless n and after tinkering for a while the best I could sustain on a download was between 200-400Kbps.  The downloads would start out at around 1-3Mbps and quickly diminish over the course of about a minute.

I have two machines with wireless n cards in them.  one is an intel based chipset and the other is a rockwell.  I get an average of about 180Mbps-210Mbps on both and the router is in the next room.  Ive tried following the guide for 300Mbps for wireless and it does stay at that until I start surfing the web/gaming/streaming multimedia then the connection becomes very unstable speed wise and Ive seen it go down to around 60Kbps at times.  The only way Ive got it to be semi stable is to disable security completely (yes I know this is a security hole).

Any tweaks for the A1 that I should be made aware of to even my connection out, does the A2 have this problem?

Ive tried switching wireless channels and that still didn't help. Does anyone have any suggestions?  Other than the wireless, this thing hasnt been a problem.

Yea dropping security is not to good. Try disabling DNS relay that may help. I tried 10 days with DNS relay enabled and 10 days without it. The 10 days with it enabled i was getting random wireless drops and reconnects and slower speeds both wireless and wired but i did not get any lockups. With DNS relay disabled i did not get any disconnects, lockups, or experience slow downs. Overall i do think the wireless does still need some work other then that everything seems fine. I'm also an A1 user.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: sirshaw on November 19, 2009, 04:08:11 PM
Yay!  it worked!  no more connection variating!

This is EXACTLY what I did.

1. reset everything to defaults
2. Disabled WISH
3. Disabled DNS Relay

Picture below of my wireless settings if anyone is curious
(http://www.knightsofkarbala.com/images/dlink.jpg)


and thats all I did, fast and stable now. 

Thanks Legoinx!
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: Tyrone Biggums on November 19, 2009, 07:17:16 PM
It sounds like this beta firmware is the real deal.. let's keep our fingers crossed when an official firmware is released it is official like a reff with a whistle and that's official!  8)
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: Desmond on November 19, 2009, 07:50:09 PM
I wish there are some A2 users to share their experience.
But now it seems that A1 users are giving postive feedbacks.
It's good to hear those feedbacks.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: sirshaw on November 19, 2009, 08:23:49 PM
well looks like I spoke to soon....wireless speed still fluctuates but its not NEARLY as bad as it was before.  instead of 108Kbps-450kbps im now getting about 550Kbps-700Kbps on average with large downloads.

Still not so good for gaming.  me and one of my friends tried playing borderlands over wireless tonight and the lag wasnt bad at first but as the game progressed the lag got worse and worse to the point where I had to disconnect because I was jumping all over the screen.  He was hosting the game.

So IDK guys, its better with the settings I tweaked but its still not what it should be.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: theonlybabyface on November 19, 2009, 11:57:27 PM
Everything seems fine for me as well (A1) on the WAN and LAN side of things.  The only thing that needs fixing is the wireless errors I get...I had none on 1.02 but once I upgraded to this beta, I suddenly have them. 
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: Reinvented on November 20, 2009, 11:08:55 AM
As I mentioned in another thread, my A2 has locked up and rebooted after 11 days of uptime.  It had more, but I guess it rebooted also. 

Same settings as all of my testing...

Was nice for a bit.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: AaronDM on November 20, 2009, 03:00:34 PM
Seems promising for A1 users. I will be glad to test my A2 once more A2 reviews come in (yes, I'm being a bit cheap) just to be cautious.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: vlj9r on November 20, 2009, 03:02:39 PM
HW A2
Seem to be dropping the wireless connection more often with this router than with the linksys wrt150n running dd-wrt firmware.  The connection being dropped is the eyetv between my iphone and my macpro.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: Kalmicon on November 20, 2009, 07:00:56 PM
Our new RMA'ed A2 with FW version 1.14 has locked up on the wireless side requiring a reboot once since we have received it. When it did lock up there were three wireless laptops and my sons xbox 360 connected to it at the same time for hours before it locked up so it was under the greatest load it ever sees in our home. It has been up 5 days now since the reboot with no problems. I did notice that the A2 seems to be cooler to the touch as compared to the A1 it replaced .
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: theonlybabyface on November 22, 2009, 04:51:05 PM
Everything seems fine for me as well (A1) on the WAN and LAN side of things.  The only thing that needs fixing is the wireless errors I get...I had none on 1.02 but once I upgraded to this beta, I suddenly have them. 

Spoke too soon.  Just had the router reboot itself sometime last night.  Total uptime was about 8 days...have a feeling that the wireless was the cause as nothing else was connected to it at the time and it's the only area where I am getting substantial errors....

The error in the log shows "Wireless schedule init" at the time of the reboot so obviously caused by the wireless somehow.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: darklight_tr on November 23, 2009, 01:05:23 PM
A1 user.

I've never gotten the lockups that others have had with the v1.2x releases, but I did notice that the Wireless-N range and throughput really tanked once I upgraded to v1.20.  v1.21 B03 is better (at least it doesn't lose the DAP-1555 anymore) but still not quite as good as pre-1.2x.

Otherwise everything is working great here!
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: Lycan on November 23, 2009, 04:07:13 PM
Our new RMA'ed A2 with FW version 1.14 has locked up on the wireless side requiring a reboot once since we have received it. When it did lock up there were three wireless laptops and my sons xbox 360 connected to it at the same time for hours before it locked up so it was under the greatest load it ever sees in our home. It has been up 5 days now since the reboot with no problems. I did notice that the A2 seems to be cooler to the touch as compared to the A1 it replaced .

What firmware are you running?
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: Kalmicon on November 23, 2009, 05:58:25 PM
Lycan, as I noted in my earlier post we are running FW version 1.14. That is what came installed on the A2 and I have decided not to change it unless it gives us problems. Been up 8 days now since the reboot with no further reboots. Have had all three laptops and the xbox live connected three or four times in the past 8 days without further problems. 8)
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: Kalmicon on November 23, 2009, 07:45:35 PM
Lycon pardon me, I now realize that I should only be posting here if I am using the FW 1.21 B3 on our new A2 as that is the subject of this thread.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: Lycan on November 24, 2009, 08:28:03 AM
I have a newer beta that is supposed to correct DNS relay.

Who would like to try it?
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: FurryNutz on November 24, 2009, 08:42:39 AM
can we regress to B3 if we apply this DNS FW and it doesn't work??
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: Lycan on November 24, 2009, 08:51:03 AM
I'm testing that as we speak. I'll keep you guys posted.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: stonefly on November 24, 2009, 09:22:40 AM
Good Day,

I am a A1 user. I was having some of the problems that others are having.  I am a noob when it comes to routers but am trying to learn.  I got my 4500 a week ago. I have 3 wireless computers, 1 hardwired and 2 hardwired xbox 360.  I wasn't having problems that I could see other than the transfer rate from 1 computer to another on the network was terrible, around 300kb/sec (wireless to wireless). I upgraded the firmware to 1.21b3 and was having the speed drop down to almost nothing and going back up, pages not loading on the internet when it was dropping off.  I disabled Advanced DNS Service and DNS Relay but that didn't make any difference. I also turned off game fuel and wish but that didn't make any difference either.  This would happen often so I changed a few settings and all has been good for the past 3 days.

What I did was:

1. Changed 802.11 mode to mixed, n/g only
2. Changed my wireless channel to 11
3. Changed channel width to auto 20/40 MHz

I use wireless all the time and download a lot.  Haven't had any problems since I did that for the dropping of speed and being cut off.  My wife uses the wired computer but not often, she hasn't said anything about it. I am still having a bit of trouble with file transfers within the network.  I changed the WPA to WPA2 only and AES.  This has doubled my transfer speed to the mid 600's kb/sec. My old USRobotics maxg router could transfer files at around 1.2mb/sec.  I can download on my computer or whatever, the kids are on xbox live playing games and on their computers at the same time and there is no problems. I have Advanced DNS and DNS Relay enabled, wish and game fuel enabled.  Don't know if what I did has anything to do with it or maybe it's just a fluke but it's working other than the transfer rate within the network.  I have a 15MB cable connection and the router is using every last byte of it so no complaints there.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: stonefly on November 24, 2009, 09:50:51 AM
Forgot to mention that my signal strength is very good, better than my old USRobotics.  Full bars on my computer's signal meter.  My other 2 computers have better signal to from this router(1 of them has a USRobotics G wireless card in it).  I realize I only had it for a week so maybe it will fall apart don't know, lol.  I have a finished basement so it's tucked away in the ceiling out of site.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: Craiji on November 24, 2009, 12:30:22 PM
I'll take the newer beta please
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: stonefly on November 24, 2009, 08:03:43 PM
hehe, spoke to soon.  Locked up tonight and had to reboot it.  Turned off dns relay, so will see how long it will stay up now.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: vlj9r on November 29, 2009, 07:43:57 AM
Why is it taking multiple login attempts to connect to the router in MAC OS X?

It does not matter if I use Safari or Firefox.  I have to type my password 3-5 times before it's accepted.

On my windows based pc, I can only reproduce it using Safari.  Firefox & IE get me in right away.

Can you please add this bug to your list?  I'll be happy to test it.

Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: Craiji on November 30, 2009, 04:04:36 PM
where is this new beta... will test

My thanksgiving holiday was plagued with slowdowns, not fun at all when I am on call and cannot respond quickly.
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: OtilioDJ on December 01, 2009, 07:41:01 PM
I have a newer beta that is supposed to correct DNS relay.

Who would like to try it?

     I would like to volunteer for the newer Beta. I'm running 1.21b03 on A2 HW. Disabling DNS relay is not an option for me. As part of my system configuration I have a home server appliance running WHS PP3. Disabling DNS relay causes denial of access on the LAN with all other clients not being able to access the server. I should also mention that I'm using OpenDNS. The latest build of the FW is relatively stable with up times of 7+ days after which I start to see degradation of download speeds from 27MBpS to as slow as .09MBpS. Uploads stay pretty consistent between 1.5 to 1.9 MBpS. After doing a hard reboot to the router all goes to normal.
   As Always my gratitude and appreciation to all you Tech guys who are working so hard to correct the systemic problems that this router is having
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: vlj9r on December 02, 2009, 04:14:04 AM
So far so good with 1.21B3 on A2 hardware with DNS relay enabled.

Time :December 2, 2009 6:11:03 AM EST
Firmware Version :1.21NA,  2009/09/18
WAN

Connection Type :DHCP Client
QoS Engine : Active
Cable Status :Connected
Network Status :Established
Connection Up Time :10 Day 0 Hour 03 Min 48 Sec

When I upgraded the firmware, I followed the 30-30-30 recommendation.

Here are my stats:

LAN STATISTICS

Sent :35020370
TX Packets Dropped :9
Collisions :0
Received :26560752
RX Packets Dropped :0
Errors :0


WAN STATISTICS

Sent :26425971
TX Packets Dropped :0
Collisions :0
Received :48409933
RX Packets Dropped :0
Errors :0


WIRELESS STATISTICS

Sent :342254
TX Packets Dropped :2523
Received :103037
RX Packets Dropped :145
Errors :27754
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: Lycan on December 04, 2009, 08:44:34 AM
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=9480.0

Here's that code.....
Title: Re: DGL-4500 1.21 B03 A1 vs. A2 Hardware
Post by: UserCookie69 on December 04, 2009, 02:05:51 PM
will reply once i get teamviewer 5 to start lol i should have stuck with version 4 will update you after 1 week of usage