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[Buhric]

Nope I never actualy used ffplug on the DNS....

[irotjaf]

I have fun_plug.

That should be a tool DLINK should provide too. It's the only way to understand what is going on in the NAS when it crashes, slows down, etc. And it's the only way to have torrents running if you don't want to risk a restart every day with the official BitTorrent add-on crashing the /web/webs app.

[jamieburchell]

I'm not condemning the use of funplug- I use it myself. I was wondering if by having it installed commands/programs that were previously available by default on the NAS are overwritten/redirected to newer versions within FFP. That might explain a difference in behaviour if the issue only occurs when it's installed. If it occurs anyway, I guess that's not the issue.

[TS]

geez.. would someone at D-Link fix this already? its been over 2 1/2 years and happening since at least FW v 1.03.

to be helpful - it occurs with STOCK dns-323 units W/O any mods to fw, etc.

heres my setup:
2 IDENTICALLY SETUP STOCK  dns-323 units w/  1g wd green drives(1each)( if needed i can look the model nbrs up) to keep it simple ill refer to them as dns-A and dns-B
current fw is 1.06 (havent seen anything in the changelogs to justify updating, & the online backup in the new fw is a bad joke.)
dns-A is used for routine storage - copy/write to/from, playback of media files.
dns-B is -solely- used for backup of dns-A.

this is from memory since i've long since given up on the built-in backup software - just too much data on the units to risk w/ it anymore.
as others have noted; when doing an incremental backup, it seems to copy all the data =AND= creates empty folders named w/ a single letter.
-these empty folders are only created IF there is a corresponding folder starting w/ the same 1st letter.
-not all folders end up having a empty single letter folder created. ive been unable to find any common factor in this from a casual look at things.
-these single letter folders can also occur in SUB-FOLDERS. again only if there are subfolders starting w/ the same letter.
drive layout: goes thus: /Volume_1/All Files/(folders)/(subfolders)
"folders" being the root folders on my pc's hd's. ex: D:\downloads, D:\pictures, ..music, ..video...

side note "All Files" got added to make individual folder selection easier. not a bug but a failing of the backup utility since i never could get it to do individual backups by folders.

backups from the pc's to dns-A are done manually or w/ sync-backup software on each pc since they are not left running when not being used.
backup from dns-A to dns-B - for the first few weeks, i tried to use the fw utility on dns-B. just a disaster w/ the constant re-creation of empty single letter folders. gave up and stopped using it. simply cant afford the risk.
NONE of the various backup/sync programs ive tested on the pc's (win and linux) have exhibited this behavior.
I also tried swapping dns-a for dns-b. same results. unit doing the incremental backup creates the empty single letter folders.
dns-A and dns-B were connected to the same hub while i was trying to work this out, so i doubt network problems are an issue.

I'd love to use the built-in backup utility, but until someone fixes it... forget it.

I'm due to upgrade hd's on 2 computers soon so i'd be willing to use their old hd's for testing if anyone can comeup w/ suggestions.

[jamieburchell]

How much time do you save by typing "w/" instead of "with"?

I don't use that feature unfortunately, so I can't say if there are problems w/ i/.

Knock up a script to do it with fun plug very easily, but I know that's not the point.

[TS]

>How much time do you save by typing "w/" instead of "with"?

ah! sorry, that one slipped by me.. 
one tries to keep the "hearing" world and "deaf" world message conventions separate but sometimes...
actually,  it saves a great deal of time if most of your daily communication is done via a keyboard and one uses a few dozen other abbreviations as a matter of routine.

>I don't use that feature unfortunately, so I can't say if there are problems w/ i/.

if you end up with a pair and use the 2nd to backup the 1st, the feature would be a huge timesaver - IF IT WORKED... 
i see too many people here using raid and apparently thinking its a backup method. its not. raid in the home/smb environment is just a total disaster waiting to happen.

>Knock up a script to do it with fun plug very easily, but I know that's not the point.

i've been tempted... but i prefer to keep my "serious work" gear stock and save the experimenting/play stuff for my "toys" to minimize the chances of data loss.
the NSLU2 i retired when i got these has been a lot of fun to play with since then.

NOW.. if we could just get someone in D-Link to FIX it.... or as you and others have suggested, replace it with some other code, they would make a lot of current customers happy.

[jamieburchell]

one tries to keep the "hearing" world and "deaf" world message conventions separate but sometimes...

I wasn't aware that the abbreviations were anything other than trendy shorthand slang, so forgive my ignorance. Since I've raised the subject, I'm interested to know why those abbreviations are used in the "deaf" world?

Not much has happened here from D-Link, so I think fun_plug might be the way to go. If you look in to it, you'll see it's not actually that scary and is quite safe (when you know what you're doing).

[TS]

I wasn't aware that the abbreviations were anything other than trendy shorthand slang, so forgive my ignorance. Since I've raised the subject, I'm interested to know why those abbreviations are used in the "deaf" world?

Not much has happened here from D-Link, so I think fun_plug might be the way to go. If you look in to it, you'll see it's not actually that scary and is quite safe (when you know what you're doing).

Thats pretty much what it usually is in forums (slang), which is one reason i try not to "slip into it" when dealing with hearing folks, besides the fact they wouldnt understand most of the abbreviations. The main reason we use it is mainly for speed & for showing emotions in text based conversations. I'm sure you've used IM's in the past, so you are probably aware that it takes a great deal longer to type out everything as compared to speaking. If you think your phone bill is terrible, be happy you aren't deaf since you would spend at least twice as long to make the same calls since both parties have to type things out. When AIM, etc became widespread, "Ma Bell" lost a lot of money since most deaf people switched to using IM's instead of making phone calls via TDD's. Don't even get me started on having to pay for a cell phone "voice" plan ill never use, before they will even let me "add" txt and messaging.
 
back on topic..

"Fun-Plug...if you know what your doing..."
ah thats the rub..<grin>

for me trick would also be to have a pair of spare drives and a week of time to play with it to verify things. Manually restoring a gig of corrupt data is not my idea of fun and "spare time" is some fantasy someone dreamed up...
Having D-Link provide an official fix, would kinda give me and others an excuse to not spend all that time and effort testing alternatives. I just wish they would get on the ball and fix it. I know the yuppie MBA bean counters would scream about the cost to this quarters bottom line, but someone there needs to consider what its going to cost them down the line in terms of repeat customers.

Yeah, somewhere down the line i'll probably have to bite the bullet and use fun_plug etc. since this business of manually backing up to the 2nd drive does eat up time i could use for other stuff. like sleep... 

[jamieburchell]

If you do find the time and the inclination to try a third party solution, this page guides you through the entire process of installing Fonz Fun Plug. It comes with a built in utility "rsync" that allows you to perform among other things, incremental backups. You will however need a bit of know-how to get the process automated, depending on what you would like to achieve.

For me, when I attach a USB hard drive to the DNS-323 and reboot it, my incremental backup to disk starts. I can share with you the scripts quite easily.

http://nas-tweaks.net/CH3SNAS:Tutorials/fun_plug

[monitor35]

For the record, I hate this "bug" and gave up using the built-in backup mechanism because of it.
I went to fun_plug and now rsync from one HDD to another, and from one DNS-323 to another, over SSH, across town.
Awe yeah, geographically diverse backups.

[gee0000]

I figured I would check back here to see if any progress had been made. Hearing that this has been an issue for 2.5 years is somewhat discouraging. Having already dumped a couple hundred bucks on this thing including drives, I think I may be stuck short of selling it.

I guess I'll have to give fonz_plug a try and see if that makes this useful again.