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[joolo]

This is silly!

LAN routes added before firmware "upgrade" still works fine so the functionality is still there.

I would really love to hear the strategic meeting when this decision was taken... "Oh, I've got the greatest idea!! Let's remove some features from this router, so our customers can go and buy a new improved version from us.. $$$" 

[Lycan]

why did you upgrade the firmware?
Also there is a FAQ with a change log for the firmware versions.

http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=3287
As you can see the static routing was removed a long time ago.

[joolo]

It has come to my experience that firmware upgrades usually improves the performance of a device. When reading changelogs they most often say things like "fixed", "improved", "added", "pached" and so on...

That FAQ you have linked to doesn't say anything about that you have removed LAN routing from the device. Could you please quote the line that says that you have removed it?

1. FW 1.10 - Removes ALG functionality.
2. FW 1.11 - Removed the support of 802.11d.
3. FW 1.21 - Remove Enhanced IGMP Proxy GUI

Ok, LAN routes aren't used by all people, but they are often used by persons skilled in this area. And those are the people that quite a lot gets questions regarding what product to buy etc.

I have been a loyal dlink customer for a couple of years now and I have been recommending your products to people asking me what they should be using when setting up their home offices, and I guess that so have they within their network.

These things spread like rings on water.

[clamder]

I agree, this feature needs to be in this router.  This is the most basic feature.  The only reason I can think of for removing a feature like this would be to save memory, but static routing can't possibly save much on that, can it?

[lotacus]

bah it's business malpractice. D-link couldn't make a better product so they cripple their existing products to make their "new" line of products superior. it's all an illusion.

.. but hey business as usual.

[Lycan]

Your correct, for the price point the DIR655 was the superior product. It still is. however we removed the static routing because at that time the person in charge deemed that having that type of functionailty would encurage people to use this router in buisness applications instead of the proper equipment. So it was removed.

A year later it was added back in to new models including the 4500 and the 855. It wasn't done to drive sales to other products, it was done so that people wouldn't try to use this device for things we didn't intend it for.

[lotacus]

What i'm getting out of that, is bad product planning for the dir-655. As well from what you had stated the dgl series are not business gateways either, so I wonder how it's warranted other than to make the DGL series appear more appealing. Sorry, i'm just <i>trying</i> to be the devils advocate. I love my 655 for the time being, but I can see how some people can be a little upset over the change if functionality was there. I suppose the only way to grandfather the functionality would be to downgrade and then incur all the bugs and less enhancements that have been made over time.

... or of course, purchase the DGL-4500, which seems like a nice gateway anyway! except for the fact that I don't think it has simutaneous dual band functionality, so one would think to go with the dir-825, but that one doesn't have lan routing either!

So the only way to get the best of both worlds, so that you can separate your gaming devices, from home comptuers, business computers, and entertainment systems? Spend 500+ and a 5Ghz access point to wire to your new enterprise router. Wow!

That solution is expensive, but of course, at least for me, a lot of fun! Hardware vendors and manufactures (not just d-link) need to realise that the technology in-home is changing at a rapid rate, and so are the needs of the house hold.

[Lycan]

ti has nothing to do with how the product was planed. It's all because of the versatility of the platform of the 655.
Which is the base platform for the 4500 and the 855.

[RA25]

http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=6422.0

[Demonized]

bah it's business malpractice. D-link couldn't make a better product so they cripple their existing products to make their "new" line of products superior. it's all an illusion.

.. but hey business as usual.

Yep, that's what happens when 'making money' becomes the most important thing, dude. Capitalism a good thing?

[Clancy]

Yep, that's what happens when 'making money' becomes the most important thing, dude. Capitalism a good thing?

I my opinion, you bet it is. It's what enables anyone of us to buy whatever router we want if we think D-Link sells an inferior product. Market forces are a huge incentive for invention and innovation as opposed to every router company being owned by the government which would then give the consumer the ability to choose betweeen Router-X and, and, the same router. And if you don't happen to like that router, better look to another country because your complaints will fall not on deaf ears, but NO ears. If D-Link makes and continues to make crummy products they WILL go out of business. I won't buy their Ethernet over Powerline adapters. I bought 6 of them and everyone of them died within 6 months. If I was dissatisfied with my DIR-655 I would shelve it and buy from someone else. I've had nothing but good expericences with D-Link's routers so I keep buying them. On the other hand, SlingMedia got my Ethernet over Powerline business. That's Capitalism in a nutshell.

Alrighty then. I believe that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

[Demonized]

I my opinion, you bet it is. It's what enables anyone of us to buy whatever router we want if we think D-Link sells an inferior product. Market forces are a huge incentive for invention and innovation as opposed to every router company being owned by the government which would then give the consumer the ability to choose betweeen Router-X and, and, the same router. And if you don't happen to like that router, better look to another country because your complaints will fall not on deaf ears, but NO ears. If D-Link makes and continues to make crummy products they WILL go out of business. I won't buy their Ethernet over Powerline adapters. I bought 6 of them and everyone of them died within 6 months. If I was dissatisfied with my DIR-655 I would shelve it and buy from someone else. I've had nothing but good expericences with D-Link's routers so I keep buying them. On the other hand, SlingMedia got my Ethernet over Powerline business. That's Capitalism in a nutshell.

Alrighty then. I believe that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Hmmm...it enables some to buy any router they want. You might want to do some more thinking on basic capitalism. Or end up at the wrong end of capitalism (which is also very likely).
And capitalism does not, in itself, put an incentive on innovation and invention. If so, we would be using solar power and driving emission less cars. It's capitalism that keeps those innovations away from the public because there is still too much money to be made with polluting fuels.

But you're right, completely offtopic. 

[Fatman]

Some would argue that both paths are profitable, it is a mixture of insight and foresight that makes such changes profitable.  Weigh those values against the human reluctance against change and the equation balances out nicely.

Offtopic, que???


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[Demonized]

Some would argue that both paths are profitable, it is a mixture of insight and foresight that makes such changes profitable.  Weigh those values against the human reluctance against change and the equation balances out nicely.

Offtopic, que???


*** Modified by Fatman to include admittance of the off topic nature of this thread.

Well, looking at the state of mother nature humans do not really excel in foresight and insight...having a superior brain does not guarantee the best overall choices to be made.

[Clancy]

Well, looking at the state of mother nature humans do not really excel in foresight and insight...having a superior brain does not guarantee the best overall choices to be made.

Mother nature does not care one way or the other. Mother nature could care less if all life disappeared tomorrow. Humans are the ones that would have the problem. That is why all of this "save the planet" stuff is bogus. The gasses we produce are but a lifted cheek compared to what the planet has seen throughout time immemorial. If all animal species died tonight, more would come to take their place. The planet doesn't need saving. It is us that needs saving from ourselves. A 10 kilometer diameter rock from space would bring a little perspective to the climate debate.