hi all, thanks for the info, i got it sorted, i had updated the firmware on the router, i swapped the port to the ip address and then back to the port the canon utility creates and it sorted it, i guess the canon utility had lost the ip setting. thanks for all your help. Just updated to the new beta firmware, seems good so far, just about to check my ps3, with the second (5th Jan) 1.22 i could not connect to my media server, just kept getting a DNLA protocol error 2006. the 13th jan version of 1.22 worked fine.