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[FurryNutz]

I wonder if all this applies to the DIR-815 and 655 Rev B since I noticed it has a IPv6 Firewall. Out of all the old generation models with IPv6 support, only the DIR-655 Rev B and DIR-815 seems to have the firewall option aside the Amplifi routers.  

[Patrick533]

Thank you PacketTracer, I will shoot you an E-mail in the next day or two to discuss this more in depth. A lot of work went in the house last week/this weekend, I just want to plant myself on the couch and let the pain fade away. The emulator looked to be a pain to setup vs just setting up a simple SPI check box and maybe a ICMP Echo disable, that is why I asked. It has been 35C here when I get home for the last couple of days, the pain and heat are NOT mixing! I keep forgetting, I have a FCC test proctoring gig this Saturday in downtown LA too, large college campus, hopefully I will be able to walk to the testing! Finally a Holiday, 3 day weekend!

Furry,

How Ironic would that be, I purchased the DIR-655 originally after I dumped ABC company and it's inferior BUSINESS class products, but no IPV6 support on the DIR-655, so I paid Newegg to return it and purchased the DIR-825 for it's IPV6 support locally. There seemed to be other problems with the DIR-655 but I am too tired to remember. I do remember it had killer range for WiFi though and great throughput. I may have been Beta testing WINDOZ 7 X64 at the time and needed IPV6 DHCP.

D-link management got back with me today, they said they were going to look into the DIR-825 B-1 IPV6 firewall issue, they said they forwarded it to a Product Manager for review, they are supposed to be contacting me privately/offline to figure out what we will do to move forward. I need to think without pain before I respond to them. The conversation between D-Link and I is still private and they are looking to see if the DIR-825 B-1 can have a firewall added(hopefully the chipset supports it). Should know more soon, if it will be private is another issue. But I do believe in not kicking someone while they are trying and they have extended a friendly hand, for now lets see if that buys anything!

And the gamers lag out:

[FurryNutz]

Was your 655 a Rev A? Rev As never supported and wont support IPv6. I believe that they just added IPv6 firewall in v2.02 or 03 for the 655. I havent check mine yet to confirm. I noticed it was on the 655 emulator. Hope DLink can add it to the 825.

[Patrick533]

Yes, I had a DIR-655 A-4. Today at lunch time here on this forum, reading through all my posts from day one (so I could figure out when I bought the DIR-825 so I can get the receipt for D-Links management), the wireless on the DIR-655 kept rebooting. I tried all of the fixes for it, but none worked. I then returned it for a replacement DIR-655 A-4, but that router had the same problems too, endless reboots when a wireless client was connected, so I returned it to Newegg and they charged me a 20% re-stocking charge for wanting my money back(for a router that rebooted regularly when you used WiFi). The only reseller I could find local only had DIR-655 A-4s, but the B-1 was said to fix the rebooting problem, I could not find one for the life of me and no mail order houses would even confirm they had a DIR-655 B-1.

It appears I posted in the DIR-825 forum asking if they had any problems like the re-booting when a wireless client was connected and they did not. So needing a router ASAP, I went and purchased the DIR-825 from Office Depot for a premium. That is when testing the Wifi on the DIR-825 I realized I had about half the range of the DIR-655 A-4, so enter the 1Watt A/P and happiness, sort of.

Funny, but reading my posts before you came along, it seems I had a lot of problems with the DIR-825, then one day I was fighting a firmware install that would not complete, I did the 30/30/30 thing and it has been working great ever since. The reason I did not return the DIR-825 is because Office Depot would only do an exchange, not a refund after I ran into a myriad of problems with it too(inside the 30 day return period, maybe the store manager knew something I did NOT?). I guess in the end I am glad I had to stick around because they finally fixed most of the problems. And it was a great little router for a little less then a year after I added the 1Watt A/P and disabled the WiFi in the DIR-825, but even 18 months ago when I purchased the DIR-825 I was asking about IPV6 stability. 

I seen a post off of this site with a lady you were talking with a few months back, she said she really did NOT want to change the DIR-825 because she had been through the ringer with all the problems on the DIR-825 and now that it finally was stable she did not want a NEW router to go through all the nightmares again. That is my feeling 100%, I just want the silly thing to work and not all of the headaches with the stupid firmware upgrades and being an unpaid Beta tester for 18 months. If it was not for my background I would just swallow what they tell everyone else, IT IS MY EQUIPMENT or setup, bad cable, wrong WiFi adapter, bad NIC. Reading back to one guy that went over to DSL REPORTS and posted over there after Lycan banned him for aggressively posting repair requests on the DGL-4500 forum and also questioning why problem reports were being deleted, he took the same route as me but he would only accept a refund, him and his friends got it but it took like 60 days and he had to play a lot of games with the same people I am dealing with. There is no need for that but it seems to be the NEW way, "we will fix it after you buy it!"

I guess I found a business model, make routers here in the US that work from day 1, out of the box, it seems no one else can. Reading the threads today was like a nightmare flashback. 1. Make sure you disable DST, 2. Turn off QOS, 3. Stand on your head until your ears turn red, 4. Put it on a shelf for a year while they debug the firmware, 5. PRAY it will only take a year!

But the DIR-825 fits the business model for Asian manufactures, abandon the last rev for the newest and leave the problems behind every 18 months. I don't think that will ever catch on here, no matter how hard they try! Too bad, a little more work and the DIR-825 could be a legendary product!

[FurryNutz]

It sounds like you have had some problems with your router. Seems like we have crossed paths in our forum reviews and people we talk with too. 

Ya there was some issues in the 4500 forum back in the day, however the one time I had issues with the 4500 was with v1.21 FW. The other versions were stable and I should have stayed with what came in the box. However after a time, v1.21 was fixed. Yes I remember the guy who was banned. I do believe there was some user configuration at fault and probably some misunderstanding about how to set these routers up and get them to work well. Just a bit more understanding and troubleshooting and help from some of us on here seems to help gain a better experience and seems to get most of these routers working well.

After I bought my 825 from a guy here on the forums, he sold it to me because his MAC filter address needs exceeded what was allotted by the router, he thought that the 825 wasn't worth it. After I got it in hand and up and running. I thought, wow, this is a great router. Even holds a candle to the 4500. Has a few more features and can do both WiFi at the same time while the 4500 can't. Gaming was just as good on the 825 and the 4500 and enjoyed the zippyness of the UI. I really could not find any faults with it, aside having the router having to reboot after saving changes every time and doesn't have the Reboot Later option like the 4500 and some other routers have. After working with the 825 for a time, I ranked it as one of the best routers I had along side the 4500.

I do feel the 825 is a great router. Yes, Like all models and mfrs, there are certain times when the code isn't done well as it should be. DLink is not alone in this as all Mfrs seem to have some faults with there code at times. Go have a look at the Net Gear forums. I was watching the 3700 forum for a while. Had one too. Thats at my buddys place now. Ya, I wish all Mfrs would have a better out of the box experience. I think Dlink is trying, as getting the DIR-857 and 645 routers to work with, I've had a great experience with them. Easy of setup out of the box and little configuration needed for gaming and other access. I believe and do hope that the next generation routers that I've experienced, will give a better out of the box experience for everyone and the code during the life of these routers will be better and users won't have to be beta tests by proxy. LOL. I think the 825, 4500, 655, 857 and 645 are great routers. They do work, however sometimes it seems there is a bit of additional help needed to effect a better experience. I still feel that most problems seen in the forums is user, configuration and environment related. Yes, at some level, there is some coding issues as well.

My 2 cents

[Patrick533]

Their was a piece of firmware for the DIR-655 A-x series that just destroyed it, the stock firmware would not allow you to go back, someone figured out a way to go back, I did, and a Gentleman with a handle of "The Creator" actually called me up after a few P/M's, he walked me through the "tweaks" needed to make it work right, it was almost like a "spell" that you had to perform properly to get the thing to work. And really the little tweaks needed meant nothing to me, no loss of function. I guess that is what always kept me going with D-Link, there was always someone to get me through the major problems and sooner or later there was a fix.

I think in the end, the reason the DIR-655 went back was because I realized the A-4 was the end of the road and it would not get the IPV6 that I needed. It did work great after we went back a firmware rev or three. Once I learned how to switch firmware I even went back and forth trying my own "voodoo magic", but the firmware was just toast.

Yeah, this for the most part has been a good user group, you can usually get a answer. I was a Cisco business customer here at home for a while, that "membership only forum" devolved fairly quick along;  with a 100 other users egging me on. Problem: Me: IPV4 firewall is wide open please advise how to enable; Them: You have a bad cable; Me: Huh??; Them: You have a bad cable, please replace your cable and re-test; Me: Ok, cable replaced with Cat-5E, still have no active firewall; Them: Ok, that did not solve the problem, you have a virus, please reformat your hard drive and reinstall OS; Me: I have 4 computers, they all show no active firewall on XYZ router; Them: They all need to have their OS's reinstalled after formatting the hard drive; Me: Really?, you have to be joking?; Them: Have you reformatted your hard drive?; Me: What country are you in?; Them: Why does that matter, please reformat your hard drive; Me: Well I was wondering where you got your degree at?; Them: Why does that matter, please reformat your hard drive and reload the OS; Me: Well, I am thinking you got your degree out of a Cracker jack box and your cutting and pasting from a script, furthermore I think English is not even close to your native language because if you think for a second that reformatting my hard drive is going to effect a hard firewall, you are an IDIOT, now quit wasting my time and go get me someone that can count in Hexadecimal(Base 16), preferably with a degree and a NATIVE English speaker that can help me with my firewall problem. The crowd goes wild pelting the idiot with comments! And I get banned, so I return the Cisco BUSINESS junk, and move on to D-Link.

I was considering just returning the DIR-825 to management after I find the receipt, after I verify that I can do 6RD from my computer and my old faithful nameless Unix based router that still gets firmware updates 5 years after it was made in spite of newer better hardware revs coming out, and ending this cluster. Don't have much time to worry about anything right now, several corporate branches just dumped huge piles of money on me so I have to go find out what this years newest buzz words are and compare them to legacy equipment and make several million worth of "Informed decisions" for them. I should crawl out around January if I am lucky.

Maybe I will get lucky and they will roll back IPV6 and I will have the best router and user group on the planet!    
   
 

[FurryNutz]

I heard and seen some stories about Rev A 655s. I guess they fixed most of that in Rev B. My Rev B has been very stable until of recently with v2.07 and 2.08 Beta. They broke Shareport in .07, fixed it in beta .08 however is now causing some odd behavior as all activity on the LAN side to be constantly ON and doing something. Latest and greatest stable is v2.03 and enjoy it.

Ya, seems like some people just don't know really how to understand and troubleshoot problems and find it easier to push problems to other areas rather than actually getting dirty and digging down to find the problem. Ya, you just don't reformat PCs if the problem is located else where. Why do you think I post that scripted response when I post...theres IS a reason. 

Well if you can't return the unit, maybe someone on here might buy it.  I would however I got one. Hehe. I suppose I could and just find a owner too.

[Patrick533]

I just bypassed the agency I was using to respond to management, they were only giving me 1200 characters to respond. If you look at the DSL reports thread regarding the 4500, the D-link managers name was all over it. I gave them enough to keep the case open though!

I had to track down my receipt, I paid 141 bucks for this thing! I remember now why I went with the Dir-825, IPV6 and a Gigabit switch. I was looking at loading the old routers I have up with DD-WRT and enabling IPV6 but I forgot about the 100mbps ports on them. Doing some other testing, I locked the port to the Ubee modem I am now using to 100Mbps by accident and only was getting 70-80Mbps down on my internet connection. Back when I bought the DIR-825 I had a server for E-Mail and PC backup with RAID drives and was using GigE, it was maxing those hard drives out. I have been looking hard at a large SSD, those puppies scream with SATA 3. Now my ISP would max out the 100Mbps fast Ethernet ports alone!

Since you support the Amplifi line, what is the difference between the 2 dual banders? The only bummer is no way to test IPV6, I seen the feedback you left for your ISP, same boat I was in with Time Warner, I was going to setup a tunnel until I moved and walked into 6RD which is much easier. But I have opened up a can of worms for my ISP, a lot of people are now trying it after I gave it 5 stars in a thread, people are running into problems. But the ISP seem to be doing well fixing the problems on IPV6!     

[FurryNutz]

Is there a link to that specific thread about the 4500?

The differences are 450Mb WiFi, USB 3.0, IPv6 Firewall, 20/40Mhz Coexistance, Next Gen QoS or HD Fuel as they call it, to name a few.

Ya I asked my ISP when native IPv6 is coming, no idea yet. 
I suppose I could test out IPv6 is some one could help me get the Hurricane tunnel doing.  I tried once with the 825 however I don't think it was able to get it going as the test results on the Hurricane site kept saying the connection wasn't passing.

[Patrick533]

I was asking about the Amplifi line, there is the 2000 and the 3000, they look to be pretty close to the same? Dual band, IPV6, maybe a little slower on wifi, but I prefer my wifi solution to 15Mw of power and with regards to the speed I have, my high power stuff tops out at 70Mbps +/- because of the 10/100Mbps only connection on my WiFi A/P. I will proabally down grade speeds, no need for 100Mbps as of yet!

Here is one of the links, but really there are numerous and newer, this is like the longest anti "INSERT COMPANY" rants I have ever seen.

http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/r22572439-D-Link-Banning-Users-and-Deleting-Posts-Critical-Of-D-Link

I got one of my loaner routers back because the family member went with FIOS finally, vs 1.5Mbps x 384Kbps. I looked at going with DD-WRT or open WRT. Honestly, I just want to use the darn thing and not make a career out of this any longer.

My 24yo daughter is moving back home, she usually needs a lot of my attention vs me playing with this internet stuff, I just want to be an appliance user. I just ran a CAT-6 cable to her computer and removed IPV6, she is going for an advanced degree, her luck she will get hacked and loose something important.

Seriously, all horse hockey aside, what is your opinion of the 2000 line or should I bite the bullet and go with the 3000. My daughter because of her school/work hours streams a lot of video, I was going to loose the 100Mbps ISP plan today until I found out she was coming back home.

The D-Link manager was leaning towards a warranty return and swap, but who know what I will get. I just need to be done ASAP now that my oldest is back. She takes after me a lot, first time my 18yo or 21yo boy gives her lip I can see me being needed as a referee in short order! Or one of the boys will end in the hospital! 6'4" tall, athletic and vicious with no patients, yup, just like me. The boys don't stand a chance.  

Later,

Pat


 

[FurryNutz]

Sounds a lot going to happening at your house.

Ya I remember that. I feel that was a situation that some of the users were being a little bit on the demanding side and again, not fully understanding there routers and capabilities and the problems at hand and just were too demanding of what they wanted from DLink. One of the posters said that there only seem to be a handful of users with the purported problems and some of these users were probably blowing the situation far beyond what it really needed to be. This one only during one phase of FW build on the router which was fixed. I personally think that the users involved were just too impatient and not professional enough to talk to Dlink on the forums, Mods and Admins to wait for the fix that did come. I was apart of testing during that phase and remember the problems of v1.2x introduced. Yes I'll give the devil some due however users don't need to act in a inappropriate manor either. That was a long time ago and thing have changed for the better since then. THe DGL-4500 is still a SOLID and Stable router. Just like the 825 is. Moving along now.  

Honestly, the 825 should handle any thing you and your daughter do specially on a 100Mb down ISP. Really? I have a 50/2 here and it works just great for me and 2 others. And I do all of the gaming.

I don't see why the 825 wont handle anything beyond the IPV6 firewall abilities.

I don't have the 2000 series router, I haven't had a chance to pick on up, I currently have the 1000, Whole Home 1000 and the 3000. I must say each one has been very good. The 1000 routers are great follow on's to the DIR-655. The Whole Home 1000 is just like the 655 however has multimedia abilities that the 655 doesn't and has a different QoS engine and SmartBeam technology and a round case housing. You can see an example in a 645 QoS setup for XBL in the FAQ Library. Up until yesterday, I had been using it and enjoying it. I have switch back to the 3000 to test out new FW. I believe the 2000 router is a great follow-on to the 825. I believe has more multimedia abilities than the 825 has however all Amplifi routers are internal antenna based. Both have same WiFi speeds I think, where the 3000 does 450Mb WiFi connections. I have tested it using a TrentNet 450Mb adapter. Very nice. Will be nicer when client side Mfrs start supporting the higher Wifi connection speeds as some of my HW will become out dated as more higher speeds become more prominent.

Soon as I'm done testing the 3000 out for a while, I'm putting the 825 back online to enjoy it's abilities. Maybe see if I can get IPv6 tunnel going with Hurricane.  

If your really needing IPV6 and the firewall, one of the Amplifi line of routers will do you well. I do like the 3000 model the best.

Let us know what you go with.
Enjoy your fatherly duties of fending off suiters for your daughter.  

Good Luck.

[Patrick533]

Why would you use the DIR-825 vs the 3000 to go with IPV6? I looked over the manual for the 3000 and it looks like it will do everything that the DIR-825 will do plus security.

I know PacketTracer has experience with the DIR-825 and HE I believe. I use 6RD which from all the reading is close to 6in4. I would suppose since you get the ISP's IP addresses with 6RD you would have to be on one of their IPV4 addresses so you could not piggy back on 6RD. I know Charter is hiding it's IPV6 addresses, traceroutes don't work once you get local, they just don't respond to pings until you get on the backbone, why, I have no clue. I tried to do a tracert to another Charter user, no go, but I could ping him and the ping time was very fast for half way across the country. I even went to a couple of looking glass sites and still could not get to myself, but I could ping myself.

I guess I don't get the whole 450 WiFi thing unless it is being used to transfer files. The fastest ISP right now is FIOS and in some markets you may get 150Mbps but even then I rarely see over 40Mbps. I was downloading Nvidia drivers today and actually was getting 85Mbps, but that is rare and the first time I have really seen over 20-40Mbps. I guess then again you could put more people on a 450 connection. I even turned my 300 channel off, I think it is at 150, trying to be neighbor friendly.

One of the 4500 rants I was reading was over the firewall only blocking a port VS stealth. I know the reason people want stealth, no response and no brute force attacks. But on IPV6 for it to work in some cases you need at least an Echo for it to work. Heck, on IPV6 I would settle for a "please leave a message" response as opposed to "come on in" like I am getting now.

Eh, maybe I will get a direct response next week and it will all be over with, for now I just turn off the IPV6 stacks in everyone elses computer, my understanding is this disables a part of windows that has to do with media sharing, for whatever reason Win 7 uses IPV6 for something that has to do with media sharing and homegroups. I know when I wired the daughter up this morning, Win 7 was very insistent on having IPV6 turned on, but I still could discover the other Win 7 machines on my network, so who knows! Perhaps a feature I am not using....

Hmmm, looks like one of the big twirps is using some band width

[FurryNutz]

Cuz the 825 it's still a great router and I dont have a need for IPv6, Yet!

[rpnc]

Back in August 2011, I asked D-Link support "Port 80 is open on my computer according to an IPv6 port scanner. How do I enable packet filtering with IPv6?"

I received this reply: "DIR-825_Rev B1 does not support IPv6 firewall thats why Port 80 shows open on your computer. Thank you for networking with D-Link."

Like others, I'm waiting for a firmware version that supports an IPv6 firewall. In the meantime, I have been using the DIR-825 with OpenWRT firmware, which supports an IPv6 firewall.

[PacketTracer]

D-Link is one of only five home router vendors mentioned on "world ipv6 launch day" website (yes, it's today!): http://www.worldipv6launch.org/participants/?q=3.

If you follow the D-Link link given there (http://www.dlink.com/ipv6#4) in order to see their IPv6-certified products, the DIR-825 is mentioned but now restricted to "Hardware Revision C1" (don't know if this restriction was in existence before the start of this forum thread).