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[FurryNutz]

Let us know if you want another review of your router settings.

Kind of. We never sign both of the consoles in at the same time though. I have them password protected so she can only be on when i sign her in. We have had issues with the garbage that populates xbox live. So i sign her in then i go sign in. We might launch gears 3 around the same time though. Other than that i cant think of why we are having issues.

[XS]

If still having moderate NAT check the following.

Make sure the consoles are set to Automatic for IP Address, and set the router (Basic>Network Settings menu) to Enable DNS Relay. 

If using wirelss try G and N only.

[FurryNutz]

Been using static DNS addresses with DNS Relay OFF. The one wireless xbox is on single N 5Ghz WPA2 and AES only. My xbox that was exhibiting Moderate last night is LAN wired.

I'll give DNS relay ON a test and see what happens.

[XS]

Also do a factory reset to defaults in Network Settings fpr each Xbox after enabling DNS relay.

[FurryNutz]

OK. Had to do that last night as well to be sure. Will do again. 

[Hard Harry]

If still having moderate NAT check the following.

Make sure the consoles are set to Automatic for IP Address, and set the router (Basic>Network Settings menu) to Enable DNS Relay. 

If using wirelss try G and N only.

Yea, I don't know about that. I think DNS relay causes way more problems then it helps. Sure, a DNS cache could in theory decrease latency of domain queries, but It only works small scale. Normal web browsing or at best, audio streaming. But as soon as the quick UDP traffic picks up in multiplayer gaming, and your creating up to what...32 players, so 32 active connection with DNS look ups. That starts to eat up a router's resources quick. Not to mention issues with the TTL and host migration. I say meh

[XS]

Do you want an open NAT or what???

[FurryNutz]

DNS Relay was the standard when I first started down this road years ago and was always enabled. It's only been in the last year or 2 that I've shut DNS Relay OFF and use custom DNS. DNS Relay has never been a problem in the past and I only presume its needed for various general information for the various items in XBL. I presume that gaming isn't heavily dependent upon it?

I played again last night using Global settings and DNS Relay OFF and uPnP ON on the router for the two 360s. Gaming was good. Saw a few games where the signal was in the yellow. I think that was due to other players and there network systems. Over all we had a good time. I'm going to go back to using Specific MS Remote IP addresses and test again. Then test with out GF and just using uPnP.

Yea, I don't know about that. I think DNS relay causes way more problems then it helps. Sure, a DNS cache could in theory decrease latency of domain queries, but It only works small scale. Normal web browsing or at best, audio streaming. But as soon as the quick UDP traffic picks up in multiplayer gaming, and your creating up to what...32 players, so 32 active connection with DNS look ups. That starts to eat up a router's resources quick. Not to mention issues with the TTL and host migration. I say meh

[DrunkJug]

I am going to look at things again tonight. I made the changes that Furry requested me to make and I went in and turned DNS relay off and put in the settings for OPEN DNS on all the equipment on my network. I previously set the OPEN DNS on my router and allowed it to handle all DNS to all devices on my network.

Played a few games after messing with everything again to get Open NAT on both boxes. The game ran horribly. It was unbelievably bad. Went back in and changed the QoS from 50 (what furry recommended) back to 1 and the game ran as bad as it usually does but better than when I had it set to 50.

Once again I had to do this that and the other thing to get Open NAT on both consoles. I am starting to get sick of messing with all of this. I can't imagine how overwhelmed someone who doesn't like tech would be trying to get all of this working. Probably accounts for all the bad reviews that amazon has on routers

You know just thinking about this and looking at how many pages we have in this thread is mind blowing. It seems like a problem like this would be very about 5-7 posts max. lol  This is clearly an area that needs extensive refinement in ease of use for customers. Maybe the 5500 will change things?

[FurryNutz]

Let me know when your available for teamviewer. I think this is just configuration issue. You and I have the same router, FW and ISP modem. Theres no reason why you should be seeing this problem. Lets go over your router settings again.

I don't recommend using any OPEN DNS addresses for gaming until using ISP DNS can be configured and tested as stable first. Once ISP DNS works well, then later on using other custom DNS should work after doing some testing. For now you need to fall back and use ISP DNS go from there. You can still turn OFF DNS Relay, however manually set up the ISP DNS in the Basic/Internet/Manual section. uPnP should be ON and use the global values for Ports and Remote IP Adddreses for one GF rule for the 2 xboxes. Create another rule for ALL other devices and use the ANY for ports 0-65535 if you have other devices online at the same time that XBL gaming is going on. Just make sure that your device IP addresses don't over lap these 2 rules. This is one reason why I set IP addresses for xboxes to the following range: 192.168.0.190 thru 199. Usually thats enough for any users that may have more than 2 or 3 consoles connected. Set all other device IP address reservations on the router to 192.198.100 thru 189. I've never seen this many devices connected however this gives a good pool range for using any other devices.

Let me know when your available and we'll go over all this again.

[DrunkJug]

sounds good Furry.

I have always used Open DNS servers. I have found them to be superior in every way to those provided by the isp's. I don't have an issue changing them though.

[FurryNutz]

Understand man. Not saying you can't use other DNS, however lets K.I.S.S. for now and rule out any other issues first. Lets try to configure things first and get it stable. Then onces thats all set up and it runs well for a while, then switch over to other DNS. 

[DrunkJug]

Whatever we need to do man. I am not a liking having to turn consoles on off on off etc.

Like I said the most peculiar thing is how this never happened when I was on Charter. Every once in a blue moon I would get moderate NAT. Power down modem and router and restart both and I was good to go again for months.

[FurryNutz]

Wonder if there is something going on with the ISP service.  We have seen some odd things with ISP services that can cause Moderate NAT making us think there was and issue with either the router or xboxes.

Lets see what we can do first to make sure the xboxes and router are set up well first.

What speed up and down do you pay for now? Also you should be seeing 2 blue lights on the modem at least.

[DrunkJug]

Pretty sure it has two blue lights when connected to the router. I have a 30 down 6 up connection. Generally run close to that unless it is a high traffic time of day. It will be this evening before i can hit you up. I want to go home and see where things are. Everything should be working but who knows?

I know that I may have some issues again if i am going to change those DNS numbers. We'll see.