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Re: 3tb hard drive support?
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2013, 05:49:23 AM »

Thank you so much again (have I said thanks enough..?)

Performance on the drives is not a huge concern as I'll just be using it for backup. I'm a little confused between the difference in likelihood of data retrieval on disc A if disc B goes down between JBOD and standard configuration. For convenience just showingaas one drive would be simpler but you say there is more chance of losing data on both discs if one goes down? Is this rare or a common occurrence if a drive fails?

I've had two DNS-343s (four-bay ShareCenters) up for > 4 years 24x7. In that time all 8 HDDs have functioned perfectly with 0 failures (knock on wood) -- all 8 HDDs are Standard Volumes. Only in the past year have I started leaving one of my ShareCenters powered down (backup ShareCenter), only turning it on for weekly syncs with my primary storage.

For standard volumes, there are no dependencies between the HDDs in the ShareCenter ("A" and "B" function completely independently). For JBOD, the two HDDs are tethered together, forming one large volume. Not having experienced a JBOD failure myself, I can't speak to the issues that may come up from a failure. I can say that the more complex the configuration, the harder it is to recover if something goes wrong. I've read accounts on this forum where users had no issues recovering from a JBOD failure, and others where they couldn't retrieve their data. It's very possible that these issues are the exception. Users are more likely to post about their failures on these boards rather than their successes, which misrepresents reality.

If your data is backed up, it shouldn't matter either way. The ShareCenter was designed to successfully handle Standard Configurations, RAID-0, RAID-1, and JBOD for storage. And depdending on the option you choose, different degrees of built in recovery are available.

Ok I've bought a gbit hub. So it sounds like if i connect modem to new hub and then everything into hub I'll get gbit speeds between nas and pc which is the important link speed wise. The only disadvantage of this is network speed reduction when lots of users access the nas, is that correct? Internet speed will never be affected, right?

It's always best practice to isolate high bandwidth traffic on a separate segment of your LAN (e.g. hub).  This way, users connecting directly to the modem can browse the Internet and perform other activities without any possibility of performance impacts from the NAS activity.

Back to my highway analogy. If you put all the rush hour traffic on the highway, the local roads with a lower speed limit (modem) will be clear for other drivers. This approach will maximize Quality of service for NAS performance and casual users.

Also, down the line I think you will appreciate having a switch for troubleshooting purposes. If at some point in the future, you have networking or throughput issues with your DNS-320L or any networked device, you can remove the router as a possible cause by testing problematic devices on an isolated switch disconnected from the router. This is a common technique. Quite often, the router is the root cause, and it's easier to determine that by testing problematic devices in a silo.
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Re: 3tb hard drive support?
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2013, 06:48:57 AM »

im not sure how I could put the NAS on a seperate hub in terms of cabling..

Surely in all cases it would still EVENTUALLY be linked to the modem for outside connectivity.

I need the PC and the NAS on the same Hub to maintain the fast speed betwene the two (the most important thing in my scenario) but if I do that then surely that hub needs to be linked to the modem as well for outside internet access on the PC.

Or are you saying this.. if I connect the router to the slower hub and then the fast hub into the slower hub, with the PC and NAS both connected to that fast hub, then communication between PC and NAS would not go via the old hub or router, despite it being connected up somewhere in the chain. Hopefully that makes sense, if it does please let me know if that statement is correct!
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Re: 3tb hard drive support?
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2013, 08:05:52 AM »

im not sure how I could put the NAS on a seperate hub in terms of cabling..

Surely in all cases it would still EVENTUALLY be linked to the modem for outside connectivity.

I need the PC and the NAS on the same Hub to maintain the fast speed betwene the two (the most important thing in my scenario) but if I do that then surely that hub needs to be linked to the modem as well for outside internet access on the PC.

Or are you saying this.. if I connect the router to the slower hub and then the fast hub into the slower hub, with the PC and NAS both connected to that fast hub, then communication between PC and NAS would not go via the old hub or router, despite it being connected up somewhere in the chain. Hopefully that makes sense, if it does please let me know if that statement is correct!

Internet <-- Modem/Router <-- GB Switch <-- NAS + PC + other devices requiring regular access to NAS
Internet <-- Modem/Router <-- Wireless devices + other wired devices not on the GB switch

- All devices will have access to the NAS + Internet
- Devices local to the GB switch will have the best speed
- Devices local to the router/modem will have the 100MB cap
- GB speeds will provide benefit for concurrent multiple streaming and high bandwidth data transfers.
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Re: 3tb hard drive support?
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2013, 10:11:42 AM »

Ok so I'm ok as I am I think.. One thing I forgot.. I have a wireless access point connected to my hub upstairs to extend wireless  range.. If this goes on the gigabit switch will it cause a slowdown? Can't really connect it directly to modem as it's downstairs and I don't think the signal will be that great upstairs (the whole point of the access point in the first place)
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Re: 3tb hard drive support?
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2013, 12:59:42 PM »

What model is this AP?
The switch will connect to the Mac link speed that the AP support, however will not slow down everything else if the AP is only 100Mb. It's just the link speed between the switch and AP that will be the bottle neck, if any.
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Re: 3tb hard drive support?
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2013, 01:35:35 AM »

ah ok perfect, I'm not home to check the model at the moment but it sounds like in that case veen if I do connect it to my gbit hub, only the wireless devices connected via that AP will be limited to 100mb which they are now already. Perfect. Should arrive today or tomorrow!

I've decided to go with JBOD on the HDD configuration as I'll have other backups but the idea of using the drives as one drive is much more appealing to me than 2 seperate drives, even with the slight risk of data loss.
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Re: 3tb hard drive support?
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2013, 04:51:18 AM »

Let us know how everything works out!  ;)
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Re: 3tb hard drive support?
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2013, 05:05:22 AM »

will do! Thanks so much for your help guys, I certainly wouldnt have made the purchase without this thread
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Re: 3tb hard drive support?
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2013, 01:12:59 AM »

ok gents, just going through the setup process now.

A few points:

I assigned a static IP instead of DHCP as thought it would reduce the chance of potential future problems and not have any disadvantage, was this correct?

I said no to a DNS account, is this correct?

also would you say 34MB/sec is right for a transfer rate? Going to be 7 hours to complete my transfer (albeit 814GB)
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Re: 3tb hard drive support?
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2013, 04:59:13 AM »

A safer approach is reserving the IP address for all your networked devices through your router. This approach will prevent a possible IP conflict in case two devices using static IP addresses request the same IP (as well as other similar scenarios): Why Did My ShareCenter IP Address Change?

34 MB/s sounds fair. I routinely see ~45 MB/s (PC > NAS) on my DNS-345s. I believe there may be another thread floating around on the DNS-320L board containing performance metrics posted by other DNS-320L users.
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Re: 3tb hard drive support?
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2013, 11:27:17 PM »

Well after owning this for you a couple of weeks I must say I'm not thrilled but I fear I'm not using it to its full potential. Some negative points..

1. It's noisier than I expected
2. It doesn't seem to shut down afterinactivity so iI have to manually turn it off and on, turning off takes an long time (seem to have to push and the hold for an eternity)
3. Transfer speed is so slow. I routinely copy data from a usb3 hdd to the dlink and another usb3 drive simultaneously. The copy to the usb takes about 40 min, the copy to the dlink says 2hrs 30mins plus. I set a timer to shut down after say 3hrs,go to bed and then when u check it in the morning only half the data copied in the time before shutdown. A really disappointing and key drawback for me..
4. Streaming hd movies over the weekend network is not (much faster than my wdtv live would stream from my pc over 100mb network preciously) but still slower than the usb hard drive connected to it so won't really use this.

In general, at almost £300 for the lot, I'm starting to wish I'd bought an (albeit smaller) 3tb usb3 external for £100..
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Re: 3tb hard drive support?
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2013, 04:56:50 AM »

1. It's noisier than I expected
2. It doesn't seem to shut down afterinactivity so iI have to manually turn it off and on, turning off takes an long time (seem to have to push and the hold for an eternity)

Did you set the Hibernation and Fan Control Options settings?
Log into the web UI and navigate to System Management > Power Management > Hard Drive Hibernation Settings. You should enable the Hibernation settings to ensure the HDDs spin down after a uer defined level of inactivity. Additionally, you can adjust the fan controls to manage the noise output.

3. Transfer speed is so slow. I routinely copy data from a usb3 hdd to the dlink and another usb3 drive simultaneously. The copy to the usb takes about 40 min, the copy to the dlink says 2hrs 30mins plus. I set a timer to shut down after say 3hrs,go to bed and then when u check it in the morning only half the data copied in the time before shutdown. A really disappointing and key drawback for me..

The DNS-320L will have exhibit a much higher transfer rate over a Cat5 or Cat6 rather than a directly connected USB device.

4. Streaming hd movies over the weekend network is not (much faster than my wdtv live would stream from my pc over 100mb network preciously) but still slower than the usb hard drive connected to it so won't really use this.

Are you streaming movies from your DNS-320L internal HDD over a LAN connection to your WDTV? or are you connected via USB? USB transfers will be markedly slower than a Cat5 or Cat6 connection between the two devices (through a router or switch).
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Re: 3tb hard drive support?
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2013, 02:11:54 AM »

"The DNS-320L will have exhibit a much higher transfer rate over a Cat5 or Cat6 rather than a directly connected USB device."

this just doesnt seem to be the case.. I get about 70mb via USB 3 and you said that 40mb on the d-link is about right. Sometimes that goes as low as 20mb.

"Are you streaming movies from your DNS-320L internal HDD over a LAN connection to your WDTV? or are you connected via USB? USB transfers will be markedly slower than a Cat5 or Cat6 connection between the two devices (through a router or switch)."

Again, not sure whats going wrong but if I connect a USB 2.0 HDD to by WDTV live I can stream and fast forward HD content quickly, but if I load the film from the NAS via the network share it responds considerably slower.
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Re: 3tb hard drive support?
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2013, 11:18:15 PM »

in fact i just copied to the same USB3 drive and the NAS simultaneously and got the normal 50mb/sec on the USB and 25 on the NAS. Expected NAS rate to rise when USB finished copying but its still copying at 23-25mb/sec.

Something not right?
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Re: 3tb hard drive support?
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2013, 02:36:32 AM »

Did you set the Hibernation and Fan Control Options settings?
Log into the web UI and navigate to System Management > Power Management > Hard Drive Hibernation Settings. You should enable the Hibernation settings to ensure the HDDs spin down after a uer defined level of inactivity. Additionally, you can adjust the fan controls to manage the noise output.

I tried this (set to 5 mins) and it worked like a dream.. I came up 10 mins later and the box was on but silent. However later in the day with all PC's in the house switched off, I came up and the fan was on again. Do you know what the reason for this could be?
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