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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2013, 11:09:23 AM »

Have you done a factory reset on the XB1?

Definitely. Held the power button down for 5 seconds. Still had the NAT issue and had to reboot the 5500 and XB1 to get it open again. Same problem last night. Network tests have never yielded full bandwidth for me on the XB1 through the 5500. Definitely going to try the XB1 direct from the cable modem tonight. I've got a friend/co-worker with another router and he tells me the XB1 network test reports his full bandwidth. I'll report back on the direct wired to the modem test.

As for the NAT, I know there is an outstanding issue with the XB1 and UpNp and the instant on feature (according to another post here), but I like the instant on for the kids and wife so they can just say: "Xbox, On". They don't game online on the One, so the NAT is not an issue. I figure if I have to reboot the Xbox and router each night until MS and/or dlink can fix it, so be it.

I really want the 5500 to work for me, as the 4300 worked great for years. Most of the time, it is working pretty well. Just wish it was 100% of the time.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2013, 11:14:54 AM »

Yes, ensure you disable Instant On feature of the XB1. Saw same issue using DIR-868L router with my friends XB1. OPEN NAT now.

Set your ABE for 100.00 and 10.00. Test with ABE ON and OFF. Last run I did using these same settings I got full speeds however I don't have XB1 so you'll have to post that. Run a PC wired test first then test XB1.

Install CAT6 when you get it too.  ::)

Keep us posted.


Definitely. Held the power button down for 5 seconds. Still had the NAT issue and had to reboot the 5500 and XB1 to get it open again. Same problem last night. Network tests have never yielded full bandwidth for me on the XB1 through the 5500. Definitely going to try the XB1 direct from the cable modem tonight. I've got a friend/co-worker with another router and he tells me the XB1 network test reports his full bandwidth. I'll report back on the direct wired to the modem test.

As for the NAT, I know there is an outstanding issue with the XB1 and UpNp and the instant on feature (according to another post here), but I like the instant on for the kids and wife so they can just say: "Xbox, On". They don't game online on the One, so the NAT is not an issue. I figure if I have to reboot the Xbox and router each night until MS and/or dlink can fix it, so be it.

I really want the 5500 to work for me, as the 4300 worked great for years. Most of the time, it is working pretty well. Just wish it was 100% of the time.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2013, 11:54:05 AM »

I thought I would jump in here as I think I have seen something similar in my testing with the 5500.

In running a speedtest that not only measures the speed but how long it takes for packets to come and go in a stream, I noticed that with the speed(stream) boost enabled, an upload will stream for 2 seconds, pause for 2 seconds then finish the rest of the test.  I will post a screenshot of this when I get home.  If I take speed(stream) boost off I do not get the delay.  

I have an XBone (wired) and I too, have the 2% loss both with the stream boost on or off.  I thought it was my internet, but now I am wondering if it is the router.  

Edit: corrected terminology

I've noticed those pauses, too. Not sure if I saw them last night as I was watching TV and doing the speed tests. I'll have to check again.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2013, 04:34:39 PM »

OK. I think I'm comfortable enough to say the router is not the issue. It is either Time Warner or Microsoft. Since speed tests from the PC are consistently higher, I'd say it is on the MS side. I ran multiple tests from the XB1 through the router and directly connected to the cable modem. Results were the same either way.

Download speed ranged from around 6 Mbps to around 25 Mbps. Both with and without the router in the middle. I am assuming it is bandwidth on my ISP or on the MS end that causes the fluctuations.

Upload speeds were consistently 5+ Mbps.

Download packet loss was 1% each time.

Upload packet loss was 0% each time.

MTU: 1480

Latency: 85-100 ms

It was not a scientific test, but I am confident the router is not the issue. Most of the time it works well, I will stop worrying about these test results. As long as I am not laggy all the time, I'll be pretty happy.

Still wish the Strict NAT was not an issue. I had to had to reboot the router to get rid of it. Rebooting the Xbox did not do it.

Also of note, I did not notice the pausing in the speed tests from my PC.

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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2013, 04:51:54 PM »

I recommend that you have your ISP check the cabling going to the ISP modem, check signal levels going to the ISP modem. Check for t.v. line splitters and remove them as they can introduce noise on the line and lower the signal going to the ISP modem. Connecting to the ISP modem could result in a false positive as the signal to the modem could be just enough to that point then adding on a router, could see problems. The router operation is dependent upon getting good data flow from the ISP modem and the modem is dependent upon getting good signal from the ISP Service.

I've forwarded this thread on to D-Link for review. I'll post if I get any info.

OK. I think I'm comfortable enough to say the router is not the issue. It is either Time Warner or Microsoft. Since speed tests from the PC are consistently higher, I'd say it is on the MS side. I ran multiple tests from the XB1 through the router and directly connected to the cable modem. Results were the same either way.

Download speed ranged from around 6 Mbps to around 25 Mbps. Both with and without the router in the middle. I am assuming it is bandwidth on my ISP or on the MS end that causes the fluctuations.

Upload speeds were consistently 5+ Mbps.

Download packet loss was 1% each time.

Upload packet loss was 0% each time.

MTU: 1480

Latency: 85-100 ms

It was not a scientific test, but I am confident the router is not the issue. Most of the time it works well, I will stop worrying about these test results. As long as I am not laggy all the time, I'll be pretty happy.

Still wish the Strict NAT was not an issue. I had to had to reboot the router to get rid of it. Rebooting the Xbox did not do it.

Also of note, I did not notice the pausing in the speed tests from my PC.


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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2013, 05:31:02 PM »

I said I was ruling out the 5500 as the issue. The router did not change the results at all, it was equally up and done with or without the router.

I think everyone in the neighborhood is home browsing, streaming, gaming, etc. I will run some tests later when more people are asleep. I think the bandwidth is there now when I need it, as I do not have any issues streaming multiple HD movies. A speed test to the Time Warner internal server is consistently 30+ down and 5+ up, even right now. I doubt they would consider it an issue.

Also of note, since you mentioned dlink said they have no NAT problems with the default settings, I decided to stop port forwarding as I never needed to do that with the 360 with either of my dgl routers. 3 reboots of the XB1 and it was open every time, no port forwarding needed. I think forwarding the ports was a reaction to the bug where the XB1 comes out of sleep (instant on) and the NAT ends up strict. I will try just rebooting the XB1 next time that happens and see if it works better without the port forwarding.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2013, 05:35:53 PM »

Turn that Instant ON OFF. LOL.
Glad it seems to be working better for you.

Keep us posted.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2013, 06:07:31 AM »

Sorry I didn't get back sooner, but here are my results:

The following charts are the upload Quality of service during the speedtest.


I get the above results with the following conditions:
  • Without the router, ie directly connected to the internet with my laptop over ethernet
  • Without Streamboost active wired AND wireless.  Does not matter the wireless settings.

Now here is what I get WITH Streamboost active.



It does not matter if it's wired or wireless.  Again does not matter the wireless settings.  The chart looks the same.  A noticable pause or "delay" after 2000 ms lasting for about 2000 ms or 2 seconds.

Now I don't know if that pause appears during gaming or not, but it does show up for the tests.

Also, it's not priority based as only one device was on at the time of testing and it was being used for the test! :)
« Last Edit: December 04, 2013, 06:19:47 AM by djid10t »
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2013, 07:26:32 AM »

Interesting chart. What did you use to create it? You can definitely see the delay there. Am I reading the two charts right? It looks like the delay is consistently much worse (outside of the 2 second pause) without the router hooked up. No, wait. The scales are just different on the two charts.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2013, 07:49:50 AM »

Yes the scales are different.  You can get this info at ispgeeks.com.  Just run the basic speed test and when it's done some tabs will show up with detailed info.

My ISP is a wi-max provider so my results will less optimal then most.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2013, 07:59:03 AM »

If someone can test a wired ISP, cable or DSL?
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2013, 08:11:07 AM »

Yes the scales are different.  You can get this info at ispgeeks.com.  Just run the basic speed test and when it's done some tabs will show up with detailed info.

My ISP is a wi-max provider so my results will less optimal then most.

Thanks. I've never used their speed test. I will use that tonight. I hope it is not flash based, then I could also run it from the Xbox One.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2013, 08:15:34 AM »

It's java based.....
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2013, 08:25:24 AM »

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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2013, 09:21:56 AM »

If someone can test a wired ISP, cable or DSL?

OK. I ran the ispgeeks tests last night. I have Time Warner and was hard wired to the router. I saved the charts, but don't have them with me at work today. I did see a similar pause on my first run - although not as long. Turned off traffic shaping and no pause. Turned traffic shaping back on and ran again, no pause. I ran several more and still did not see another pause. I'll try again tonight.
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