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[mr.ctt]

I have a home network i am trying to set up in a kind of specific way.

I have 4 routers and a cable modem (everything is powered APC UPS'es for clean power & backup)

Motorola Surfboard Docsis3 SB6121 (Cable Modem)
D-link Dir-657 (wireless media router turned into a switch  w/dhcp wifi off)
D-link Dir-655 (Wireless router used as an access point w/o dhcp wifi CH 6)
Netgear R6300 (wireless router used as an access point w/o dhcp wifi ch 11)
Asus RT-N10P (wireless router in access point mode w/o dhcp wifi ch 1)

here is how everything is connected (all cat6 copper)...
I have my Surfboard plugged into the Wan port on my Dir-657.
Dir-657 LAN1 connects to R6300 LAN4
Dir-657 LAN2 connects to Dir-655 LAN4
Dir-657 LAN3 connects to WAN port on Asus RT-N10P (per instruction manual since it is in access point mode)

Here are my network settings...
the Dir-657 is at 192.168.0.254 with a dhcp range of 192.168.0.2-253
subnet mask 255.255.255.0
primary DNS 8.8.8.8
secondary DNS 8.8.4.4

Dhcp reservations on Dir-657 for .250 .251 & .252 with mac addesses of the corresponding access points

the R6300 is at 192.168.0.250
the Dir-655 is at 192.168.0.251
the Asus is at 192.168.0.252

here is what im attempting to do...
I am attemtping to finish propely making the Dir-655 into an access point by going to setup -> internet -> manual -> (and changing it to)

Internet connection type from Dynamic IP  to -> Static IP

then under "static ip address internet connection type"

I then change
Ip Address to 192.168.0.251
Subnet mask to 255.255.255.0
Default gateway to 192.168.1.254
Primary dns server to 192.168.1.254

but the dir-655 gives me an error saying WAN and LAN IP address set to the same subnet...

it is not conflicting with the DHCP or any other addresses and dhcp is disabled on the dir-655... i just don't understand what needs changed

The purpose
The purpose for this is the Dir-655 cant handle all the traffic and get everywhere and i also installed a wireless AC card for my laptop.

The R6300 is wireless ac and N for me and my girlfriend
The Asus is for the PS3 (wireless G)
The Dir-655 is for my house mates to use so i am not affected by all their devices that could be A/B/G/N
The Dir-657 is a switch/router to manage it all and since it has a good processor and ram with nothing tasking it hardly.

[FurryNutz]

Try this first with the 655;
Turning a router into an AP.

[mr.ctt]

This is the guide that led me to make this change.

I have followed it to where i am now, however i have already made my network with the addresses listed above before finding this guide.

I have everything already off on the dir-655 but setting it to static i had not already done and am attempting to now. 

Do i need to use .50?  I wanted to keep them all at the high end of my dhcp pool for memory purposes and so when it hands out addresses to dumb devices they can never conflict with my access points as i have had happen in the past... stupid iphones...

[FurryNutz]

No, you can use .51 or in the .5x range or if you have a open IP address. I recommend keeping all the wired APs in the .5x address range so you can access them easily and using .5x range keeps it intuitive. I recommend using IPs out side of the DHCP pool range thus using the .5x range. Normal DHCP pool range for routers is 192.168.0.100 thru .200.

[mr.ctt]

oh, i did not realize that D-link's was so small when i did this.  I have a number of devices that are in the 1-100 range with dhcp reservations already so i would like to keep my pool 2-253.  

I attempted to set up my dir-655 outside my dhcp pool and it would not respond

when i did this it was set to dynamically get its ip under setup -> internet -> manual (wan)
however under setup ->network setting i had the ip address set to outside the pool.  

so i never attempted to make it outside my pool after that because i did not think the wan settings would affect the ip when it is connected through the LAN

would setting the router IP to 192.168.1.50 be ok instead?
subnet 255.255.255.0
Default gateway to 192.168.0.254
Primary dns server to 192.168.0.254

[FurryNutz]

Are you connecting the 655 as a wired ap using the LAN port and NOT the WAN port? using the 192.168.0.50 should work as I've done this many times however I don't use the larger DHCP pool size like you do.

How many devices do you have and actually have online at one time? Id base your DHCP pool range on how many devices you have that need to be managed by the main host router like PCs and Phones and game consoles. Other devices like printers, NAS and wired APs don't need to be managed with the main host router as they usually don't need any QOS management since they are mainly pass thru for the APs, printers that don't need any internet or do much, and NAS is mainly a LAN side device that LAN side devices mostly need the bandwidth that doesn't effect the WAN side.

I set up all my AP, NAS, printers and 2ndary devices like this in the .30-.60 range as static IP addresses ON the devices. I use the .100-.200 range was my primary DHCP address pool for all other PCs, phones and game consoles. I only have about 20 devices. I could set the pool bigger (.80-.254) if I need however default is good enough.

[mr.ctt]

I would say 30 constant up to 100 depending on everyone here.  I could change my range and the reservations... it would just be kind of a pain to change roughly 20 dhcp reservations.  especially since cameras sometimes dont like to release an IP and obtain a new one.  

1-100 is regular users
101-150 is troublesome computers that have given me dhcp problems
150-200 is cameras
201-249 printers and nas
250-253 is AP's
254 is the main switch/router

there are empty spots and i could consolidate it to 100-249... just would take a while but i can attempt it.  

oh i apologize i didn't answer you, but yes i am the dir-655 has only one cable in any port and that is port 4

physical cables are
I have my Surfboard plugged into the Wan port on my Dir-657.
Dir-657 LAN1 connects to R6300 LAN4
Dir-657 LAN2 connects to Dir-655 LAN4
Dir-657 LAN3 connects to WAN port on Asus RT-N10P (per instruction manual since it is in access point mode)

my main concern is the moment i took the dir-655 outside my pool it was unresponsive and had no internet.  does the WAN IP settings affect the LAN IP settings?

[FurryNutz]

Is the R6300 your main host router?

I'd consider this since at max might have 100 devices if you change the pool to .100-.200:

I would say 30 constant up to 100 depending on everyone here.  I could change my range and the reservations... it would just be kind of a pain to change roughly 20 dhcp reservations.  especially since cameras sometimes dont like to release an IP and obtain a new one.  

Set any users and devices that need some form of router management or QoS, reserve these IP addresses in the 192.168.0.100-.253 range. Depending on how many devices you have set to static in the other proposed range you could adjust that range to be included in the DCHP pool range if needed.
1-100 is regular users
101-150 is troublesome computers that have given me dhcp problems
Set Printers, AP, cameras and NAS to static IPs in the .10-.99 range.
150-200 is cameras
201-249 printers and nas
250-253 is AP's

254 is the main switch/router Can keep this IP or use 192.168.0.1

there are empty spots and i could consolidate it to 100-249... just would take a while but i can attempt it.  

my main concern is the moment i took the dir-655 outside my pool it was unresponsive and had no internet.  does the WAN IP settings affect the LAN IP settings? I presume it may have been incorrectly configured initially. Be sure that your using the LAN ports on the back of the 655 to connect to the main host router, don't use the WAN port for this configuration. If it's correctly configured you should be able to get internet thru it and also be able to connect to the new IP address on it to gain access to the web page. However I would attempt to configure the 655 as an AP first in your current config to see if you can get it working correctly before making any major changes.

[mr.ctt]

sorry i edited my post but i dont know that it made too much a difference on what you said.  

Ill move the switch / router to 192.168.0.1
dhcp .100-.253

.100-.169 new and regular dhcp users
.170-.199 will be problem children... all apple devices
.200-.229 will be cams (i dont use static on them, i was taught not to use static unless 100% need to)
.230-.239 wll be printers & nas

I will attempt to move all the AP's outside the dhcp one at a time, but have .240-.254 jus in case it does it again and ill post back here when im done...

The R6300 is my and my gf's because im the only one with AC, and it is new so i dont know its stability or range.  I keep users on the dir-655 because it had amazing range and uptime.  asus is ps3

ill attempt to put the AP's on .50-.59

[FurryNutz]

Keep us posted.

[mr.ctt]

when attempting to do this i came across the same problem... (in the Dir-655)

when going to Internet connection type from Dynamic IP  to -> Static IP

then under "static ip address internet connection type"

I then change
Ip Address to 192.168.0.51
Subnet mask to 255.255.255.0
Default gateway to 192.168.0.1
Primary dns server to 192.168.0.1

but the dir-655 gives me an error saying WAN and LAN IP address set to the same subnet...

The ip address should be the dir-655's ip new address correct?
the subnet is my main switch the dir-675's subnet?
default gateway should be the ip of the dir-657 since it is the switch/router
and the same goes for my primary dns right? (ip of dir-657)

this is all wan side stuff, but your guide said i should set a static ip up for the wan side even though the port is not used

[FurryNutz]

You can't use the Connection Type for Wired AP. Just set that to DHCP.

Input a new IP address for the 655 under Setup/Networking, turn off all other services like DHCP, firewall and filters, leave WiFI running. Connect the 655 to the main host router one of the 4 LAN ports in back, DON"T connect to the WAN port. The Internet port can't be used in this configuration.

[mr.ctt]

oh, ok all of my problems where when i tried to take that off dynamic like the guide said to.  I could complete all the others steps... and everything else is working with it at .51, but it just would not allow me to change the wan settings like how it did for you when you were doing it.



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Thank you for the help!

[mr.ctt]

I do have 1 more question and sorry to double post, but because i have the
Dir-657 set to get it's dns from 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, should i tell my access points the dns server is my Dir-657 (192.168.0.1) or should i tell them to go to 8.8.8.8 & 8.8.4.4 instead?

I could see telling them anything other than the router as a problem, however i could see it being the opposite also.

[FurryNutz]

Glad ou got it working.

You could do this:

• Turn off DNS Relay  on the main host router. Link>Finding Faster DNS Addresses using Name Bench and input new DNS addresses under Setup/Internet/Manual.

This would populate thru all devices and no need to set DNS in any devices accept for main host router is all.