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[Highmaster2]

I've seen where numerous people are having problems backing up TO a 321 using Vista.  Is there a way to actually back up the data on the 321 to an external drive using Vista backup?  When I start to do a full computer backup, the drive I have mapped to the 321 doesn't show up as a choice.  If this is not possible, any suggestions on a practical backup solution that would allow me to do this as well as schedule daily differential backups?

Thanks!

[grogs]

I have two DNS-321's and this is how I do it....

1. Vista Backup (Scheduled).
The built in VISTA backup works fine. The only problem was the user/password. I used the user 'EVERYONE' with no password. Works fine.  I run this backup method once a week to backup my VISTA folders to the secondary DNS-321 NAS.

2. NAS to NAS backup
I backup the first DNS-321 NAS to the second DNS-321 NAS every few days. Should be no problem to schedule this method but I simply run my script anytime I do a good deal of work. I always run the script at least once a week. Does not take long at all.

This is a simple batch script using RoboCopy which comes standard with VISTA. The Robocopy method will only copy files that have changed. If files or folders are deleted they are purged from the backup as well. This is just what I wanted.

The command below will backup everything in my Media folder on the 1st DNS-321 NAS to the 2nd DNS-321 NAS.


---- CUT HERE -----
REM daily.bat
robocopy \\dlink-59c1b6\Volume_1\Media \\dlink-07195C\Volume_1\Media /MIR /Z /LOG:daily-backup.log /TEE
---- CUT HERE -----

If there is nothing or very little to backup the time to run the backup is short. Robocopy is very quick at checking.



3. Backup LAPTOPS 'Daily' to secondary NAS via VISTA
To backup mine and my wife's laptops I also use a Robocopy script on my VISTA desktop system.
When backing up from WIN32 to NAS I needed to add the '/FFT' option since the modified time bits are not as complete as going from NAS to NAS. 

NOTE: I was going to use Robocopy from the LAPTOP's directly but XP's version of Robocopy is just not as good. I also like the control of the backups to be in one place.

---- CUT HERE -----
REM Daily:
robocopy "\\HPLAPTOP\C$\Documents and Settings\User\My Documents" "\\dlink-07195C\Volume_1\Backup\Carole\Daily\My Documents" /MIR /FFT /Z /LOG:Carole-daily-1.log /TEE
robocopy "\\HPLAPTOP\C$\Documents and Settings\User\Favorites" "\\dlink-07195C\Volume_1\Backup\Carole\Daily\Favorites" /MIR /FFT /Z /LOG:Carole-daily-5.log /TEE
---- CUT HERE -----

4. Backup LAPTOPS full to secondary NAS
For full backups I use 'DriveImage XML'. Seems to work just fine and will backup directly to the NAS.

5. VISTA Full Backup
Vista has one built in and I use it. Thing is it must be a local drive. If I had to do this to the external NAS I would opt for 'DriveImage XML' as well.

[Highmaster2]

Grogs,

I may not have asked the right question...  Previously, I had the Vista box with 2 external USB drives (N: & M:).  I used task scheduler to run a Vista full computer backup every night to back up the C:/N:/M: drives to a 1TB USB drive(R:).  Once a week, I'd do a full backup to a different 1TB USB drive (S:) that I keep in a fire safe.  Everything worked well. (so, of course, I decided to change things...) 

The other 2 users (1 XP, 1 Vista) on the network needed access to the M: drive that was attached to my Vista box.  Tried to just share it, but Vista would not consistently play well with the XP box.  I bought the DNS-321 and copied the M: drive data to it to make it easy for all network users to access that data (turned out not to be so easy, but that's another story...).

Anyway, got the 321 up and running with a lot of help from this forum (problem was actually with my Vista box.)  I go to set up my Vista backup to do the same as I did before except to include the data from the DNS-321 instead of the old M: drive.  Problem is that when I go through the steps to set up the full computer backup, the drive mapped to the 321 does not show up in the list of what can be included in the backup.

[KOTULCN]

I have two DNS-321's and this is how I do it....

1. Vista Backup (Scheduled).
The built in VISTA backup works fine. The only problem was the user/password. I used the user 'EVERYONE' with no password. Works fine.  I run this backup method once a week to backup my VISTA folders to the secondary DNS-321 NAS.

2. NAS to NAS backup
I backup the first DNS-321 NAS to the second DNS-321 NAS every few days. Should be no problem to schedule this method but I simply run my script anytime I do a good deal of work. I always run the script at least once a week. Does not take long at all.

This is a simple batch script using RoboCopy which comes standard with VISTA. The Robocopy method will only copy files that have changed. If files or folders are deleted they are purged from the backup as well. This is just what I wanted.

The command below will backup everything in my Media folder on the 1st DNS-321 NAS to the 2nd DNS-321 NAS.


---- CUT HERE -----
REM daily.bat
robocopy \\dlink-59c1b6\Volume_1\Media \\dlink-07195C\Volume_1\Media /MIR /Z /LOG:daily-backup.log /TEE
---- CUT HERE -----

If there is nothing or very little to backup the time to run the backup is short. Robocopy is very quick at checking.



3. Backup LAPTOPS 'Daily' to secondary NAS via VISTA
To backup mine and my wife's laptops I also use a Robocopy script on my VISTA desktop system.
When backing up from WIN32 to NAS I needed to add the '/FFT' option since the modified time bits are not as complete as going from NAS to NAS. 

NOTE: I was going to use Robocopy from the LAPTOP's directly but XP's version of Robocopy is just not as good. I also like the control of the backups to be in one place.

---- CUT HERE -----
REM Daily:
robocopy "\\HPLAPTOP\C$\Documents and Settings\User\My Documents" "\\dlink-07195C\Volume_1\Backup\Carole\Daily\My Documents" /MIR /FFT /Z /LOG:Carole-daily-1.log /TEE
robocopy "\\HPLAPTOP\C$\Documents and Settings\User\Favorites" "\\dlink-07195C\Volume_1\Backup\Carole\Daily\Favorites" /MIR /FFT /Z /LOG:Carole-daily-5.log /TEE
---- CUT HERE -----

4. Backup LAPTOPS full to secondary NAS
For full backups I use 'DriveImage XML'. Seems to work just fine and will backup directly to the NAS.

5. VISTA Full Backup
Vista has one built in and I use it. Thing is it must be a local drive. If I had to do this to the external NAS I would opt for 'DriveImage XML' as well.

Do you have messenger?

[Highmaster2]

Don't use Messenger...

I saw that response back in November but, as far as I can tell, it all deals with backing up to a DNS-321 - not backing up the data on a 321 to an external USB drive.

I wanted to backup the data on a 321 to an external USB drive using Vista whole computer backup.  Problem is that Vista backup doesn't see the drive I have mapped to the 321 as a valid source.

[grogs]

Permissions to the DNS-321 or from the DNS-321 should match the drive. Normally this means using the user 'EVERYONE'. At least for backing up to the DNS-321 from VISTA I have the user name set to 'EVERYONE' with random password. This works fine for my weekly backup.

I also backup using Robocopy and for what you want to do it should work fine as seen from the test run below.

Backups from the DNS-321 NAS to an external hard drive using Robocopy

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C:\utils\nas>REM Copy from DLINK NAS to external hard drive 'L:'

C:\utils\nas>robocopy "\\dlink-59c1b6\Volume_1\Media\Informational" L:\FOOBAR /MIR /FFT /Z /LOG:test.log /TEE

 Log File : C:\utils\nas\test.log

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   ROBOCOPY     ::     Robust File Copy for Windows
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Started : Tue Feb 02 02:12:03 2010

   Source : \\dlink-59c1b6\Volume_1\Media\Informational\
     Dest : L:\FOOBAR\

    Files : *.*

  Options : *.* /FFT /TEE /S /E /COPY:DAT /PURGE /MIR /Z /R:1000000 /W:30

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

          New Dir          1    \\dlink-59c1b6\Volume_1\Media\Informational\
100%        New File              18.5 m        Spending The Last Of Your FSA.mp4
          New Dir          7    \\dlink-59c1b6\Volume_1\Media\Informational\Garmin Nuvi 265WT GPS\
100%        New File              31.3 m        Garmin nuvi 265WT - ComputerTV Review.mp4
100%        New File             129.2 m        Garmin Nuvi 265WT - during flight.mp4
100%        New File               8.4 m        Garmin nuvi 265WT - Features Tutorial.mp4
100%        New File              37.3 m        Garmin nuvi 265WT - HSN - 10-25-2009.mp4
100%        New File               7.9 m        Garmin Nuvi 265WT - Review.mp4
100%        New File              74.2 m        Garmin Nuvi 265WT - Traffic Reporting Part 1 .mp4
100%        New File              21.8 m        Garmin Nuvi 265WT - Traffic Reporting Part 2.mp4
          New Dir          2    \\dlink-59c1b6\Volume_1\Media\Informational\Microware\
100%        New File               1.5 m        Mark Hawkins at PennFest 2000.mp4
100%        New File               9.1 m        Tandy Color Computer Easter Egg.mp4

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                Total    Copied   Skipped  Mismatch    FAILED    Extras
     Dirs :         3         3         0         0         0         0
    Files :        10        10         0         0         0         0
    Bytes :  339.57 m  339.57 m         0         0         0         0
    Times :   0:01:04   0:01:04                       0:00:00   0:00:00

    Speed :             5563088 Bytes/sec.
    Speed :             318.322 MegaBytes/min.

    Ended : Tue Feb 02 02:13:09 2010


Checking the external drive

Code: [Select]


C:\utils\nas>dir L:\FOOBAR /S
 Volume in drive L is ExtMedia
 Volume Serial Number is 3844-63FB

 Directory of L:\FOOBAR

02/02/2010  02:13 AM    <DIR>          .
02/02/2010  02:13 AM    <DIR>          ..
02/02/2010  02:13 AM    <DIR>          Garmin Nuvi 265WT GPS
02/02/2010  02:13 AM    <DIR>          Microware
12/23/2009  01:28 AM        19,450,648 Spending The Last Of Your FSA.mp4
               1 File(s)     19,450,648 bytes

 Directory of L:\FOOBAR\Garmin Nuvi 265WT GPS

02/02/2010  02:13 AM    <DIR>          .
02/02/2010  02:13 AM    <DIR>          ..
12/13/2009  12:46 AM        32,881,087 Garmin nuvi 265WT - ComputerTV Review.mp4
12/13/2009  12:53 AM       135,552,201 Garmin Nuvi 265WT - during flight.mp4
12/13/2009  12:53 AM         8,810,775 Garmin nuvi 265WT - Features Tutorial.mp4
12/13/2009  01:03 AM        39,149,908 Garmin nuvi 265WT - HSN - 10-25-2009.mp4
12/13/2009  12:50 AM         8,299,497 Garmin Nuvi 265WT - Review.mp4
12/13/2009  12:56 AM        77,814,682 Garmin Nuvi 265WT - Traffic Reporting Part 1 .mp4
12/13/2009  12:51 AM        22,915,446 Garmin Nuvi 265WT - Traffic Reporting Part 2.mp4
               7 File(s)    325,423,596 bytes

 Directory of L:\FOOBAR\Microware

02/02/2010  02:13 AM    <DIR>          .
02/02/2010  02:13 AM    <DIR>          ..
01/08/2010  02:20 AM         1,625,272 Mark Hawkins at PennFest 2000.mp4
01/08/2010  02:20 AM         9,565,973 Tandy Color Computer Easter Egg.mp4
               2 File(s)     11,191,245 bytes

     Total Files Listed:
              10 File(s)    356,065,489 bytes
               8 Dir(s)  900,380,962,816 bytes free


Try the backup script again. This time nothing should copy since nothing changed.

Code: [Select]

C:\utils\nas>REM Copy from DLINK NAS to external hard drive 'L:'

C:\utils\nas>robocopy "\\dlink-59c1b6\Volume_1\Media\Informational" L:\FOOBAR /MIR /FFT /Z /LOG:test.log /TEE

 Log File : C:\utils\nas\test.log

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   ROBOCOPY     ::     Robust File Copy for Windows
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Started : Tue Feb 02 02:14:53 2010

   Source : \\dlink-59c1b6\Volume_1\Media\Informational\
     Dest : L:\FOOBAR\

    Files : *.*

  Options : *.* /FFT /TEE /S /E /COPY:DAT /PURGE /MIR /Z /R:1000000 /W:30

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                           1    \\dlink-59c1b6\Volume_1\Media\Informational\
                           7    \\dlink-59c1b6\Volume_1\Media\Informational\Garmin Nuvi 265WT GPS\
                           2    \\dlink-59c1b6\Volume_1\Media\Informational\Microware\

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                Total    Copied   Skipped  Mismatch    FAILED    Extras
     Dirs :         3         0         3         0         0         0
    Files :        10         0        10         0         0         0
    Bytes :  339.57 m         0  339.57 m         0         0         0
    Times :   0:00:00   0:00:00                       0:00:00   0:00:00

    Ended : Tue Feb 02 02:14:54 2010

We are good.