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The Graveyard - Products No Longer Supported => Routers / COVR => DGL-4500 => Topic started by: Lotus on January 27, 2012, 10:52:30 AM
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Ok, I'm back at it again.
I haven't been on these forums in a long time. I see there is an update in the Gaming/Gamefuel Xbox sticky.
I have mine setup practically the same as the sticky, excluding the new updated ports. I'm confused looking at the picture.
I have 2 xboxes. 1 wired, 1 wireless. I have all of my pc's, iphone, printer, etc. setup QoS/gamefuel with the 2 xboxes at priority 1 & 2. IP @ ***.***.*.196 & 197. Everything is using the Remote IP @ 0.0.0.0.-255.255.255.255 & Protocol/Ports @ 0/65535.
Here is my n00b/dumb question.
So, what is the port53 & port3074 in the pic? I'm confused.
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You only need ports 53 and 3047 for XBL. Thats all the ports they use for gaming and voice.
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Wait, I might be "getting it".
I have mine named as xbox 1 & xbox 2.
for example, xbox 1's IP ends in .196, xbox 2, ends in .197.
I need to set xbox 1 and 2's Local IP Range to .196 (thru).197
Priority 1 -xbox 1
Priorty 2 -xbox 2
Remote IP for both to 65.52.0.0 - 65.55.255.255
Protocol/Ports
xbox 1 -53/53
xbox 2 -3074/3074
So basically, because the IP range is thru a certain range, those 2 ports will work for both xbox's even though 53 is set to xbox 1 and 3074 is set to xbox 2.
Would it screw up anything if I set both to priority 1?
Oh, I forgot, I have xbox 2 using a linksys wireless adapter. Should I set the adapter's IP address up like I do the xbox's?
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There ya go..ya I did that cuz there was alot of people asking to set up multiple xboxs. SO I found a way to use one rule per port then have the ranges set up for one or more xboxes.
Set priorities for both rules to 1.
I set up a general rule for all other devices to ensure that they get some bandwidth while gaming is going on.
Just set the IP address to what ever the xbox gets as an IP address.
Remember to reserve the IP addresses for everything ON the router.
Maybe someone can review your router settings with you using teamviewer. (http://www.teamviewer.com)
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I actually have 4 xbox's but only use 2, lol
Oh, I forgot, I have xbox 2 using a linksys wireless adapter. Should I set the adapter's IP address up like I do the xbox's?
If so, how would I do that with both of those ports just for the wireless adapter.
*thinks*
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no shouldn't need to. Wireless adapter connected to the back of the xboxes? I presume these are old gen xboxes?
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xbox 2 is an arcade version and yes, the wirless adapter plugs in the back of it via ethernet cable.
Just never knew if it was important because it has its own IP & mac address. Its not one of those little antenna thingies.
Its this Linky (http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-Linksys-Dual-Band-Wireless-N-Gaming-Adapter/dp/B0010TEOLQ/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1327694691&sr=1-4)
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Hmm, never had any experience with one of those so I cant' tell if you need it in the rules or not. I don't thing so as the adapter is just passing traffic from the xbox to the router. The router should only be managing the xboxes. Theres not need for any other management of the adapter.
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Ok, thanks. It a nice little unit but can be somewhat tricky to get it configured. It has a login ip page also so you can tweak the setting, etc. kinda like a router.
If it seems to make my husband lag (wireless), I'll just quickly set up the Local IP range to include it.
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does it have any management options, I would turn those off as well, if there is any. You don't need any management of the data between the xbox and router. Don't put the wireless adapter in the rule. Will probably not work well.
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Its been a while since I logged on its page. I don't think I have anything that really affects the gaming. My husband complains of lag whether his xbox is hardwired or wireless. hahahaha! I've tried it both ways with same results. We do live "out in the county" & our connection isn't the greatest. Cable guy said we need a new Node? at the end of our street but our ISP isn't going to spend that kind of money to replace it just because our gaming isn't perfect. We are still "within the reasonable range" for speed/up/download, no packet loss, etc.
But I will check it out this weekend anyway.
Thanks.
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What ISP Service do you have? Cable or DSL?
What ISP Modem do you have? Stand Alone or built in router?
What ISP Modem make and model do you have?
If this modem has a built in router, it's best to bridge the modem. Having 2 routers on the same line can cause connection problems.
To tell if the modem is bridged or not, look at the routers web page, Status/Device Info/Wan Section, if there is a 192.168.0.# address in the WAN IP address field, then the modem is not bridged.
What wireless modes are you using?
Try single mode G or N or mixed G and N?
What security mode are you using? Preferred security is WPA-Personal. WPA2/Auto TPIK and AES.
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Charter cable-30/5
Modem-Motorola SB6120. I own my own modem and router
I use mixed mode since I still use an older laptop that use G.
As for security mode-WPA2/Auto TPIK and AES
seriously, I've even had the Supervisor from my local cable office tell me there is nothing wrong with our connection. Its just we always seem to be about a second behind the actual game in MP, whether its Halo 3, Reach and CoD MW3. Sometimes, its ok but we always have to work harder for a kill than others. lawd help us if we get anybody with a yellow/red bar. Some people that have great connections/host just seem to suck the life out of my connection and I can't get a kill no matter how hard I try.
I've just accepted this and either don't play often or play and stay pissed. I think I've squeezed as much juice from this router as I can. It does work pretty good but if there is any hope to get a little bit more, I'll try it. That's why I'm willing to try the 53/3074 port setup.
Thanks again.
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The 6120 is a great modem. I have that one and the next 2 follow ons. Works well if the modem is getting a good signal. One thing you can do is to make sure there isn't any T.V. cable line splitters on that line before going to the mdoem. Those will lower the signal going to the modem. Keep on the ISP for getting you good signal. You pay for it, and you deserve it. I have 50/2 here and love it. Up from 10/1.
See if you can use Mixed G and N modes or try again single G, and AES only. AES has best performance. You can turn off tthings like WPS, Short GI, and WISH. I would recommend if you can get the hubbys xbox on a wired connect to the 4500 would be better. I only recommend wireless for xbox if you can get a 2.4 or 5Ghz N only connection if wireless is the only option.
Lag will be seen in all games however it should not be a constant. >:(
Let us know and maybe we can review your router settings.
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You only need ports 53 and 3047 for XBL. Thats all the ports they use for gaming and voice.
I thought port 53 was for DNS and port 88 UDP was for voice???
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a while back I thought harry told me that 53 was voice and 80-88 is general Internet and authentication. I could be wrong, it's been a while.
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After playing MW3 for a few days with the new port changes, I've found for me (wired), its worse. Husband is also. I had him wired for a long time and it made no difference. We just got tired of seeing the ethernet cable on the floor so I put him back on the wireless.
I sometimes think its best to not mess with the settings on this router. It seems to be very sensitive.
Oh, roughly 2 years ago, I had a new line run into the house dedicated strictly to the internet. No splitters. Comes from the pole, into the attic, through the ceiling, down to the modem.
I've been gaming since the mid 70's, online gaming since 07, and I've seen my share of "lag" but what I see with Charter is like I'm 1-2 seconds behind what's really happening in the game. Its not really lag. I NEVER red bar/yellow bar, unless, of course there is someone else in the game that's sucking the life out of my connection. In MW3, I'm always 4 full green bars and still will shoot someone first (2 trigger pulls with the Type 95, which should only take 1 pull), they pop me once or twice & I die first. The killcam, which I know isn't reliable, shows I never pulled the trigger. It was like that with H3 and Reach. I can grenade someone, put shots (headshots) into them, they don't die, pop me with a couple of shots, I die first, they run off. This happens roughly 90% of the time (almost every game). Its not like it happens a few times within a 4-5 hour gaming session. I'm not a n00b when it comes to these games. I know how to shoot, predict the spawn points, how to flank & flip the spawns for my team, I know choke points, etc. I'll sit & wait for some poor little kid to run right at me, I'll be ADS, shoot, and that little turd will survive AND kill me.
I'm giving up yet again on enjoying gaming. I didn't even turn on my xbox for about 7 months until MW3 came out. bah !
oh well......I can either live with it and stay pissed or not play. I chose to not play for a while and never missed it.
Thanks for your help.
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Maybe someone can review your router settings with you using teamviewer. (http://www.teamviewer.com)
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I'm a little cautious about people I don't know having access to things like this.
I will think about it Furry and if I feel comfortable, I'll holla back at ya.
Who will be looking at this and have access to my router settings?
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It's safe and secure and you have to be there and get to interact and watch. You an control as well. I've helped many others using this tool. Send me a PM if you want to talk more about it.
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Furry:
This is the info I found on the ports;
Port 88 (UDP) Kerberos
Port 3074 (UDP and TCP) xBox <- most important!
Port 53 (UDP and TCP) DNS
Port 80 (TCP) HTTP
Lotus,
This is a good router even right out of the box. You mentioned that your cable company who you also work for stated your lines are good. I would think you would know this already but there is the cable companies standard of good line and there is an online community of a quality line. Most companies say if you are pinging under 200ms, that is good but forget about online game play.
Anyway, I think you should run some line quality checks,
Try this one and run it in the morning afternoon and night. I suggest you register on the site because it gives you a little more info when you run this test. It's free to sign up and the site is legit.
http://www.dslreports.com/pingtest (http://www.dslreports.com/pingtest)
Also down load an app called pingplotter, it's free and safe. This program will show you where you are pinging high and if its your cable companies fault or somewhere down the line beyond their control.
MW3 is a very laggy game for but you should see some good games. Yesterday I played 10 games in a row with no lag. Usually its is 50/50.
Also stayed wired if you can, wireless is just no good.
Please post your results from pingtest.net and speedtest.net
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Ok, might have confused voice for DNS. I know that 80-88 doesn't need to be in a rule as they are general ports that don't need any forwarding or management and keberos is only for authentication and doesn't use up hardly any bandwidth. 53 and 3074 are the major important ones.
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Furry:
This is the info I found on the ports;
Port 88 (UDP) Kerberos
Port 3074 (UDP and TCP) xBox <- most important!
Port 53 (UDP and TCP) DNS
Port 80 (TCP) HTTP
Lotus,
This is a good router even right out of the box. You mentioned that your cable company who you also work for stated your lines are good. I would think you would know this already but there is the cable companies standard of good line and there is an online community of a quality line. Most companies say if you are pinging under 200ms, that is good but forget about online game play.
Anyway, I think you should run some line quality checks,
Try this one and run it in the morning afternoon and night. I suggest you register on the site because it gives you a little more info when you run this test. It's free to sign up and the site is legit.
http://www.dslreports.com/pingtest (http://www.dslreports.com/pingtest)
Also down load an app called pingplotter, it's free and safe. This program will show you where you are pinging high and if its your cable companies fault or somewhere down the line beyond their control.
MW3 is a very laggy game for but you should see some good games. Yesterday I played 10 games in a row with no lag. Usually its is 50/50.
Also stayed wired if you can, wireless is just no good.
Please post your results from pingtest.net and speedtest.net
Yeah, I've heard that same old story with the cable company since 2007. I even had the regional supervisor "head up" the search on my complaints. He had me pinging, tracert, etc and send him results. He claims he had his men out there testing at different times of the day and I was "within normal range". Well, yeah, I was under 200............just under it (178-197, I think). That sucks when it comes to gaming and once I told them I was a gamer, they didn't take me seriously and the supervisor stopped retuning my calls and e-mails. They think I'm a 41 year old crazy woman. lol, the cable guy that comes to my house (sadly its been too many times to count), calls me "the gamer lady" to all of his co-workers. (they've been out also).
I'll run the ping as soon as I get a chance and see what I get. I do regular tests at pingtest and speedtest. As long as I don't choose a server that's more than 400 miles from me, I get good results. I get anywhere from 18-25d /4 up. I pay for 30/4. Seattle is one of the worst since I'm on the east coast. My ping runs about 179ms at all times. speed is 5-8 down/3.5 up. Indiana ping is at 200ms. Now, Atlanta, which is 100 miles from me is 13-14ms ping. Pretty much any state farther west of Texas, I'm pinging 79-200ms. But, the game chooses who I get teamed up with/against. I have some friends I play with that's from California and they suck the life out of my connection. I go down to 3 bars in MW3, H3, Reach and literally, go negative every game. When they leave the party, I'm back in action again. geezz. The sad thing is, I/we seem to be the only ones, except for maybe 2 peeps on our FL, that have these issues. Everyone else thinks we are whiners (they don't understand because they never see these issues). Grenading someone + full clip & they walk away (90% of the time) isn't a bad player. There is something wrong somewhere and I can't fix it. Its my ISP and they don't care.
See, I live out in the "county", just outside the city limits. I know I'd have optimum connection if I just lived 5-8 miles down the road (in downtown).
About 3 years ago, my connection suddenly was great, why, I don't know since it had been horrible since 2007. I was wrecking in Halo 3. I mean you could not out BR me. hehehe. It lasted about oh, 3-4 months. That was the most fun I had ever had playing. Then, one day, I signed on and I couldn't beg for a kill. I mean I tried everything to get a kill and it just wouldn't happen for me or my husband. It was like someone flipped a switch off somewhere. So, I do know what it feels like to have that awesome, godly host connection and go wrecking on kids singing "You can't Touch This". lolol
I'm just trying to squeeze as much as I can from wherever I can. Just a few milliseconds can make a big difference in mine and my husband's gaming. I've even played wired directly to the modem before, for a few days and saw no difference, actually, it seemed a little worse.
I'm thinking of testing it with gamefuel off & make sure nothing is connected to the interwebz while we play.
Oh, what exactly does adjusting the MTU do? Has something to do with the amount of data packets allowed? Its been a while since I was in college. Mine is at 1500 but wouldn't it make things worse if I lowered it? 1500 is the max right?
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If your on a Cable system, yes 1500 is recommended and is the Max. DSL is usually about 1492-96.
Ya would be a good test to see if turning off GF makes any different. I kind of doubt it.
Let us know if we can help you out more.
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"The gamer lady" That is awesome!!! Yeah 180ms ping???? forget about gaming, if you care about winning. I had a similar issue with my DSL provider. I always went negative, it was horrible. I was thinking before I knew what the problem was, "why do I still suck at this game? I should be better than this" lol. It was all due to ping and poor line quality, they are both equally important. I just stopped playing at night and started playing during the day since it was okay due to no one being online.
I changed to cable and it was a night and day difference. However I do notice a lot more lag when playing with a party than when playing solo, everyone I know does.
I don't mean to sound pessimistic here, but I really don't think there is anything you can do if you are pinging at 180ms. You should ping lower than 50ms to your closest server on pingtest.net.
I would think since you are paying for more than what you are getting you should at least get some compensation???
Anyway keep trying to get them to fix their lines! You have some shooting to do! Where were the guys testing the lines? in the house, street?
Is changing ISP providers an option?