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The Graveyard - Products No Longer Supported => Routers / COVR => DIR-655 => Topic started by: cc999 on April 14, 2009, 03:09:40 PM
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Get it here:
ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Gateway/dir655/Firmware/
So far works great!
Charlie C
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Not sure yet that I want to upgrade as if you have problems you can not downgrade back.
From release notes:
This firmware can not downgraded to previous versions.
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Me either....
"5. Remove the 3G from GUI"
What's that?????
Not sure yet that I want to upgrade as if you have problems you can not downgrade back.
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I agree. I see no significant changes (listed) to warrant the inability to downgrade which only confirm my past suspicions.
@Lycan, can you see if you can get someone to put up the 1.3 emulator?
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9. Removed 802.11b
What does that mean?!?
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It will only have 802.11G and 802.11N. They just took it out completely it seems.
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It will only have 802.11G and 802.11N. They just took it out completely it seems.
And why would anyone want that "feature" then?
My roommate still has a laptop with a 802.11b card inside which is more than fine for her so I guess 1.22b05 is as good as it's gonna get for me.
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I was thinking the same thing. Why would they remove it when people still have the 802.11B still. They might add it back later on.
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wtf, why did they remove it now my Nintendo DS won't be able to connect to the Internet....that is just so stupid
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b'ys, download the firmware you need because soon you will see it disappear from the site now that they released a firmware that cannot be downgraded, conspiracy! :P
I woudn't recommend upgrading at all. Without compelete details.
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Thought the wii has 802.11B/G on it?
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the Wii supports b/g but the DS only supports b..so this firmware is useless for me
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Oh ok. that sucks.
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It's a ploy by DLink and Nintendo to get us to buy the DSi ;D
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The PSP is 802.11B.
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It's a ploy by DLink and Nintendo to get us to buy the DSi ;D
Well, that wouldn't make any sense either...because the DS can ONLY use WEP and connect to a "B" network..
Please get your facts straight before posting. ;)
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9. Removed 802.11bWhat does that mean?!?
That gives me a mixed bag of feelings. I've never used B mode on the 655 or 625 before that. At the same time I'm not exactly thrilled about removing it. There are plenty of devices out there (PSP, DS) that don't support G or N at all; for that reason alone it's a very bad decision to remove B - whoever in product development made this decision should revise their thinking, pull this firmware release, and reinstate 802.11b.
On another note, doesn't G & N use 802.11b as a carrier for negotiation & authentication?
I understand the need for more secure and faster operating products, but there has to be a better way to do this than alienate potentially 50 million PSP users worldwide?
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Well, that wouldn't make any sense either...because the DS can ONLY use WEP and connect to a "B" network..
Please get your facts straight before posting. ;)
http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/wfc/en_na/ds/routerInfo.jsp
I may have been wrong about DSi being 802.11g but I KNOW that WPA is supported on it.
How does that humble pie taste? I bet it's delicious
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"Removed 802.11b"
Is it some kind of joke ?! It's not the first time D-Link "fixes" something by removing it. But removing 802.11B?!!! D-LINK SUCKS! >:(
Somebody's got to be the first...the forced 802.11b compliancy restricts G/N capabilities (regulations!). Some of you have encountered that issue (friendly neighbour restrictions etc) already. Other than removing 802.11b there is just no way around that Wifi alliance regulation!
If the ancient 802.11b is being kept alive this will obstruct future N developments/performance. Progress can only be made when the old is out of the way. If they had to wait until all 802.11b devices were gone we would still be waiting in 20 years. It's a cruel world out there... ;)
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If they had to wait until all 802.11b devices were gone we would still be waiting in 20 years. It's a cruel world out there... ;)
EddieZ - I normally agree with everything you say, but at this juncture I sincerely have to disagree. If I upgrade my router and owned a PSP, and found I can no longer connect it to my PS3 or the internet, I would be highly pissed. There isn't a magic upgrade to make PSPs G-compatible, and if D-Link is serious about enforcing that change, it will piss off their customers more than anything.
D-Link had it right when the user could choose b/g/n, b/g, g/n, or b, g, or n only modes. I have to refer again to my other post; IIRC, N & G still use a b-channel carrier to negotiate a connection & authentication. I don't think there's a way to fully turn B off. They must be denying access to B clients and only accepting G and/or N.
What would be great is if there was someone reading this forum who knows a lot more than I do about 802.11 to confirm this.
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You can always disagree and I do understand that it sucks if you have a PS3 and you now need to buy a €30 'G' AP or €10 switch to connect the game console (so there is a way...).
I am not into the "802.11 technicalities" so let's wait for the board mod to reply to this one. 802.11g uses carrier frequency bands that are around 11b's 2.4GHz primary carrier frequency (802.11g being a kind of hybrid between 802.11a and 802.11b), but this does not imply that they are dependent or g being dependent on b. They just share the same technique.
I do know that when active together B reduces G speeds with ~21% and lots of 802.11b have issues talking to a g or n device.
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I don't mind so much that they are removing it, but I know others in the house will since there is both a PSP and a DS. If I had upgraded I know that maybe not now, but some time in the future, I would have to end up using the siemens as a 802.11b access point, which would still defeat the purpose of dlink removing the B. Plus not everyone has the dir-655. In order for B to be done away with, some sort of aliance between all vendors would have to be formed and all firmware upgrades across competitors would eliminate B, and for B only AP's etc, would render them inoperable. Forcing everyone to upgrade.
I wonder if this means that the WiFi Aliance is close to finilizing the N specification since the dir-655 can be upgraded to it once it's finally out of draft. Which probably could be another reason why the firmware can't be downgraded; to ensure compiance with the 802.11n specification.
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I don't mind so much that they are removing it, but I know others in the house will since there is both a PSP and a DS. If I had upgraded I know that maybe not now, but some time in the future, I would have to end up using the siemens as a 802.11b access point, which would still defeat the purpose of dlink removing the B. Plus not everyone has the dir-655. In order for B to be done away with, some sort of aliance between all vendors would have to be formed and all firmware upgrades across competitors would eliminate B, and for B only AP's etc, would render them inoperable. Forcing everyone to upgrade.
I wonder if this means that the WiFi Aliance is close to finilizing the N specification since the dir-655 can be upgraded to it once it's finally out of draft. Which probably could be another reason why the firmware can't be downgraded; to ensure compiance with the 802.11n specification.
According to the roadmap they should be ready for it in January 2010, with the final version in November 2009. (http://www.ieee802.org/11/Reports/802.11_Timelines.htm) Still a long way to go >:( So there is a reasonable chance that the 655 will not ever be full 802.11n compliant, when looking at the EOL stage that is coming up.
I do know that the 'friendly neighbour' policy (towards b devices) from WA has caused a lot of dismal with manufacturers and users (because of the impact on performance). Removing this feature will hurt some users but will probably be the best thing to do to be as much n compliant as can be.
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According to wikipedia 802.11n is supposed to play nice with g and b devices:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.11n#Backward_compatibility
Presence of 802.11b has always slowed g down so I don't see a reason why DLink would choose now to take b out.
As for 802.11a, that lives on the 5GHz frequency which has nothing to do with b or g and the DIR 655 does not talk on that band anyway.
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Presence of 802.11b has always slowed g down so I don't see a reason why DLink would choose now to take b out.
If the presence of b hinders speed and performance on the newer protocols why not get rid of the factor that slows it down? Gotta happen someday, and being the first is not always the most popular decision.
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If the presence of b hinders speed and performance on the newer protocols why not get rid of the factor that slows it down? Gotta happen someday, and being the first is not always the most popular decision.
Here is the problem. If I put an 802.11b device on my G or N network, the slowdown is due to my requirements. I do not like a company dictating that 802.11b is too slow to be included especially when they supported the protocol on the same device 1 firmware revision earlier.
DLink is not Apple and should not be acting like them.
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Agreed. Why take it out completly. If it slows down my performance, AND I'M NOT USING b, then I should have the option to disable it.
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Well, that didn't take long.
Version 1.30 has been removed from Dlink's support site. Glad I have experience with Dlink's firmware updates and chose not to upgrade!
I don't have any 802.11b hardware, but have been thinking of buying a Nintento DSi, so losing 802.11b is not an option I would request.
I think for my next router, I am going to make sure it can run Tomato or DD-WRT, at least I would have some options of firmware to chose from.
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;D They should also remove SharePort 1.10 (4/14/2009). It does not seem to work with DIR-655 Firmware 1.21.
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Yes, the 1.30 firmware has been removed. My thoughts are here:
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=5069.0
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Its a smart move for such a drastic restriction that I think should be reserved for a new 2010 product release.
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This D-link firmware update thing is a joke. Give some, take some. WTF. Why do they removed it? Is it faulty, or do they fix it to something like 1.29alphabetabulls***_abc_0123? How the hell i would know when its safe to upgrade my firmware or not. ???
ps.what will happen if i try to downgrade this 1.30 to something else?
well.. i think ill try it anyways just for d-fun...
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Good luck! But i mean you've already upgraded. no probs? should be safe then. I guess you upgraded because you didn't mind loosing features and such. Guess your's will be an RMA issue then if anything shall arise from it.
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Good luck! But i mean you've already upgraded. no probs? should be safe then. I guess you upgraded because you didn't mind loosing features and such. Guess your's will be an RMA issue then if anything shall arise from it.
Well, im just littlebit pissed off this release show.. lol
What about next firmware? Can i update to it, and if i can, can i downgrade it again? I just wonder what the h**l is this bs? If this is the way to go, i think we all are in same point sooner or later if we want some new features etc. I say this is bad way to go.
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This D-link firmware update thing is a joke. Give some, take some. WTF. Why do they removed it? Is it faulty, or do they fix it to something like 1.29alphabetabull****_abc_0123? How the hell i would know when its safe to upgrade my firmware or not. ???
ps.what will happen if i try to downgrade this 1.30 to something else?well.. i think ill try it anyways just for d-fun...
You get an error that the firmware trying to be used is incorrect and that the flash will not occur.
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You get an error that the firmware trying to be used is incorrect and that the flash will not occur.
Thank you for your answer. Im still wondering what do we get next? As i said, there will be same dilemma for all of us when new firmware is coming out.
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This is the exact message:
Upload Failed
The uploaded firmware file may not be correct. You may have uploaded a file that is not intended for this device, or the uploaded file may be corrupted.
If the uploaded file is correct, it is possible that the device may be too busy to properly receive it right now. In this case, please try the upload again. It is also possible that you are logged in as a 'user' instead of an 'admin' - only administrators can upload new firmware.
The Gateway will not be reprogrammed.
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I really don't know what those Tainwan guys are doing, but it seems they need some lessons: release management, test management, quality management.... I will quit my job to have a go at Dlink's organisation. Plenty of challenges I would say
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I posted this on the smallnetbuilder.com forums http://forums.smallnetbuilder.com/showthread.php?t=1509 (http://forums.smallnetbuilder.com/showthread.php?t=1509)
I like the official word from the Wi-Fi Alliance
Wi-Fi Alliance says:
Quote:
11b support remains mandatory for all Wi-Fi CERTIFIED products, and failure to support 11b would invalidate or prevent certification per our policies.
Waiting response from D-Link.
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Tim Higgins
Managing Editor,SmallNetBuilder.com
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Safe to say that D-Link did respond by removing the 1.3 firmware looking at the time of the posts between the two forums
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Man, those Taiwan Dlink tech, legal department and marketing guys keep surprising me (not the Board admins, they're are actually best of the firm). Not reading any protocols whatsoever... They kinda "just do it" ;)
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In the end, removing 1.30 was the right decision. It really should be up to the user what mode to operate the wireless router in; for every reason AWDL said in conjunction with my feelings on the matter.
Like I said in my original post, I personally only use G & N mode since I have a G laptop, a G iPod, and a N laptop. I doubt i'll ever enable B. Despite the fact I don't use it, I still appreciate D-Link for not making that decision for their users.
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In the end, removing 1.30 was the right decision. It really should be up to the user what mode to operate the wireless router in; for every reason AWDL said in conjunction with my feelings on the matter.
Like I said in my original post, I personally only use G & N mode since I have a G laptop, a G iPod, and a N laptop. I doubt i'll ever enable B. Despite the fact I don't use it, I still appreciate D-Link for not making that decision for their users.
Agree
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It's back up on the D-Link website again: http://support.dlink.com/products/view.asp?productid=DIR%2D655 (http://support.dlink.com/products/view.asp?productid=DIR%2D655)
The only change I can see is it is now labeled Beta! I wonder how long it will stay at this time?
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So here ia a cautionary tale.... I just upgraded my router to the beta 1.30 firmware and now I can't use my PSP online because I just read they removed 802.11b!!! So that'll teach me to update before reading completely. I just hope that they will put back 802.11b support or at least the ability to downgrade from the final 1.30 version. Seriously why would they remove 802.11b when there are still b devices out there? Lesson learned oh and.....
If you own a PSP stay away from this firmware update!!!
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So here ia a cautionary tale.... I just upgraded my router to the beta 1.30 firmware and now I can't use my PSP online because I just read they removed 802.11b!!! So that'll teach me to update before reading completely. I just hope that they will put back 802.11b support or at least the ability to downgrade from the final 1.30 version. Seriously why would they remove 802.11b when there are still b devices out there? Lesson learned oh and.....
If you own a PSP stay away from this firmware update!!!
Just read the posts on the forum and you will have your answers.
About b devices: They will be there for another 20 years. But you got to admit it's almost ancient technology. Horse and carriage will get you from A to B also, but I don't see them around anymore on highways...
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On which HW versions does this update work?
Seems that different hardware work or not with the latest upgrades.
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I never used the 11b/g mode on the DIR-655 because I have the old Linksys WRT54G and flashed with Tomato FW 1.23.
With this FW I can use the WRT54G as an AP so at low cost and always have the b/g mode.
So if you have A WRT54G or ohter supported router then you can get the 11b/g mode back.
I have 1.22B on the DIR-655 but I'm afraid of using 1.30 because if the ssl-ftp doesn't work (also in 1.21) - 1.20??)
then it is not testing beta but is is only FINAL!
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Now that they listed it as Beta does that mean I can slip into "that's what you get for using beta software" mode? :-)
No, for real -- I've learned my lesson many moons ago by not reading before doing. As with many things you do in life, understand what you're doing before you actually do it. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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No, for real -- I've learned my lesson many moons ago by not reading before doing. As with many things you do in life, understand what you're doing before you actually do it. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
A wise lesson. And very true.
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Backing up to he beginning of this thread, somebody ask for the meaning of: "5. Remove the 3G from GUI"
Does it mean that dlink also removed the support of 3G USB modems from this firmware?
Thx!
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We are aware of the situation as a whole. I would like to say that we are working to correct it as quickly as possible, and to my knowledge there is a firmware with all the fixes in the works that adds B support back to the product.
I understand your frustration and ask that you please be pateint as we come up with a plan to correct this.
Thank you.
-Lycan.
I'm going to Lock the thread. If you have further issues, please PM me.