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The Graveyard - Products No Longer Supported => DNS-323 => D-Link Storage => Beta code! => Topic started by: sport404 on June 30, 2009, 07:21:08 PM
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Is there any rough time line on when this 1.08 will be released?
Thank You
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I asked this about a month ago, no reply yet, but am eager to be able to install the new fw as soon as it is stable with NFS.
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I'd love to see a beta2 before release to see if they actually fixed the issues.
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Beta 2 is currently running rock solid. It is still going through lab testing for stability and bug fixes are being verified. If there is any reason to post a further beta here for 1.08, there will be one posted but at this time it is staying inhouse.
If all goes well and no major bugs we are looking for a speedy release, I can tell you it WILL be july :). I know thats vague.
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Woot! ;D
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Thanks for the update.
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The feedback is appreciated ;)
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Great news! ;D Can you please let us know which bugs are confirmed that we found? I'm thinking about sticky topic "DNS-323 1.08 Beta Bug List / Improvement List".
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Great news! ;D Can you please let us know which bugs are confirmed that we found? I'm thinking about sticky topic "DNS-323 1.08 Beta Bug List / Improvement List".
Yes, I would like to second this request.
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Its already july, i'm guessing the new firmware will be out by this month?
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Wow... someone can read and comprehend.. :P
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As July speeds by is there any news as to when the new firmware will be released, and which of the bugs have been squashed?
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I've now lost hope in humanity again. ???
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I've now lost hope in humanity again. ???
Well, we have been told, "I can tell you it WILL be july". There are still 11 days to go, so there is still hope. The most important thing of course is that all the bugs have been ironed out!
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Well, we have been told, "I can tell you it WILL be july". There are still 11 days to go, so there is still hope. The most important thing of course is that all the bugs have been ironed out!
The point is - you've been given a time frame - why the need for persistent nagging?
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The point is - you've been given a time frame - why the need for persistent nagging?
I wasn't nagging!
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If all goes well and no major bugs we are looking for a speedy release, I can tell you it WILL be july :). I know thats vague.
Just being curious, is this statement still true? I'm actually thinking about a FW flash from 1.03 to 1.07, but of course I would skip that step if the final 1.08 will bve available some days later.
Regards
Lothar
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I'm also awaiting fw 1.08, and would like to know too if that july release is true?
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By Saturday we will know :)
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By Saturday we will know :)
Counting down... 4 days to go.
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Counting down... 4 days to go.
Or 369 days.
There was not a word about the year. ;D
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Its cutting it close. As of right now NFS will not be released with 1.08 firmware. We are trying to diagnose a problem causing instability between the device and the APKG module and we are not sure if it is kernel related or not. In order to not postpone the official release of the firmware NFS will have to be postponed.
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Its cutting it close. As of right now NFS will not be released with 1.08 firmware. We are trying to diagnose a problem causing instability between the device and the APKG module and we are not sure if it is kernel related or not. In order to not postpone the official release of the firmware NFS will have to be postponed.
Well, that is a big disappointment about the NFS module, I am using fonz funplug on 1.07, but the kernel module works much better, at least until the NAS crashes after a couple of hours. Samba does not suit my purposes at all.
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Its cutting it close. As of right now NFS will not be released with 1.08 firmware. We are trying to diagnose a problem causing instability between the device and the APKG module and we are not sure if it is kernel related or not. In order to not postpone the official release of the firmware NFS will have to be postponed.
So the new firmware is still on schedule to be released this month?
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It is still in lab testing for the latest release. If nothing MAJOR then it could possibly be available. Note that we do not do releases on fridays though so if it doesn't finish by thursday then it will go onto the next week. Development is not an exact science these days.
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Oh thanks for the reply, so let's just hope its on thursday. Hmm, are firmware updates suitable for worldwide? Like say the product is purchased in asia, the 1.08 fw can still be use right?
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I'd prefer stability considering Win7's pending release (I'll have the RTM release of Win7 at work ~Aug 6) - there are other ways to get NFS working, but I've had issues with it over time.. but when it works, it works great.
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I'd prefer stability considering Win7's pending release (I'll have the RTM release of Win7 at work ~Aug 6) - there are other ways to get NFS working, but I've had issues with it over time.. but when it works, it works great.
I agree :). Id rather not risk product stability of its core features over adding a new one that causes instability. Hopefully we can get some releases out soon, you guys can't think that I LIKE posting about timelines do you? =[
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erm can i assume something major came up and the firmware is unable to be release this month?
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If I had known this, I wouldn't have bought the Dlink, would have got the conceptronic with proper nfs support in the first place. Disappointed.
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If I had known this, I wouldn't have bought the Dlink, would have got the conceptronic with proper nfs support in the first place. Disappointed.
Nowhere did we state that this device came with NFS support. It has been a user request and we have been working on adding it. Due to the age of the DNS-323 hardware it is difficult to update certain elements of the NAS when you are only working with 8mb of flash space. We will continue to work on adding this feature for our customers but there are some much needed enhancements and other benefits to the release of 1.08 which should not postpone its release.
erm can i assume something major came up and the firmware is unable to be release this month?
Yes, there will be another release soon that will need to be verified. Sorry for the let down =\.
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Due to the age of the DNS-323 hardware it is difficult to update certain elements of the NAS when you are only working with 8mb of flash space.
I actually do agree with this statement, i think all of us should agree that there are limitations to certain
functions that we would like it to have, but also must understand that the dns323 is an old product, and
some new functions may not be capable on running on the 323.
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Nowhere did we state that this device came with NFS support. It has been a user request and we have been working on adding it. Due to the age of the DNS-323 hardware it is difficult to update certain elements of the NAS when you are only working with 8mb of flash space. We will continue to work on adding this feature for our customers but there are some much needed enhancements and other benefits to the release of 1.08 which should not postpone its release.
I bought the DNS-323 knowing that NFS was not supported at the time, but also knowing (having read this forum) that there was to be a new firmware 1.08 which would have support. I hope that you will find a way to implement that soon.
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Regardless of the device age, its impossible for any company to engineer/produce a product and accommodate every single wish a consumer makes.
Since a device like this isnt designed to be mission critical (and its priced accordingly), i would suggest thinking twice about pointing the finger at devs becuase the device is missing components found in larger more exspensive solutions made for a commercial enviroment. your collection will stream just fine over samba on your nix box if u really want to set it up.
I am personally very happy d-link has chosen to continue software development on this product, and I will be happy with any of the features the next release brings.
so... thank you d-link.
Tank
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i'm just happy d-link is continuing to upgrade the firmware on this unit and not going to a new model. I'm getting way more features out of it than when i bought it.
Thanks D-Link for not abandoning the current model in favor of newer hardware!!
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Thanks D-Link for not abandoning the current model in favor of newer hardware!!
I second that.
Eager to test new beta fw! ;D
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Yes, thank you D-link for continuing to support this model. Comparing other home nas products I saw those manufactures pretty much abandoned them, continual development is what finally convinced me to go with this unit. Only thing I can ask for is for the unit to go idle properly this this beta 108, but that is a different post.
Thanks again!
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Only thing I can ask for is for the unit to go idle properly this this beta 108, but that is a different post.
The unit goes "idle" with all of the firmware releases, including the 1.08 beta - if yours does not, then you need to examine your environment to determine what is either keeping your unit awake, or awakening it after it goes idle. A good place to start is by disconnecting the network cable to see if the cause is internal to the unit or external.
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Well i just hope the firmware 1.08 isnt too long a wait. Since it has already pass the previously mention date.
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D-Link Multimedia,
I'm not overly worried about time line, and do not mind the move to add NFS support to a future release. NFS is something I'm waiting for, but I'd rather have it working properly and would hate to see it delay the other important fixes that the next release will have. I do want to say thanks for the hard work, and big thanks for allowing us owners/users an opportunity to run beta releases and provide feedback of upcoming firmware. :-)
Nuked.
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...your collection...
Speak for yourself and do not make your filthy assumptions about others!
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Keep it clean guys.
Thanks
-Lycan.
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Hi all
Getting back to the point of this thread... tech can you give an updated release date for the new firmware. You had said July, then that it may be pushed to this week and given that it's not here yet and that releases aren't done on a Friday I can assume it won't be this week either.
Thanks
Jamie
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Oh yes, back to the thread. An updated date release of the new firmware would be GOOD! When will it be?
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Also, any word on how the NFS implementation is facing up?
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My two cents...
Due to things we can't see behind the veil of what it takes to make a firmware release and (sorry D-Link!!!) it's never a wise idea to state an exact date when it comes to software releases.
Have patience.
Those of us who have been waiting for 'Duke Nukem Forever' or 'Starcraft II' know all about sliding release dates. It comes with the turf. The firmware has issues that need to be fixed, they're actively being worked on.. have patience. The 323 does everything it's advertised to. The 1.08 bonuses are going to be worth the wait. :)
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I'm pretty sure formatting the incorrect hard drive in the event of a RAID failure wasn't an advertised feature. Did the serial number check get included in the new firmware? The drive also originally had EXT3 support and file system tools such as scan disk and defrag which were advertised and then removed.
I'm not asking for an exact date, they said July so they must have some idea. Are we talking next month, 3 months, a year? I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a time frame given this is the purpose of this thread.
That said, I love the DNS-323 and so far I am very happy with it (but then I haven't had to deal with a RAID failure yet and I am going to be pretty miffed if it formats the wrong drive. Yes I do backup elsewhere too.).
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This is one reason why I thought a beta 2 would be nice. I think it would have helped speed this along and also give the beta testers a sense of what was still not working and provide information to help with the development.
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This is one reason why I thought a beta 2 would be nice. I think it would have helped speed this along and also give the beta testers a sense of what was still not working and provide information to help with the development.
Agreed!
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So any news?
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Another beta release will be available tomorrow afternoon. Updated firmware, a couple packages.
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Ye :)
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The beta release is not the actual one yet rite? As in still not out from BETA?
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New firmware (1.08b05 beta) is available: :)
ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Multimedia/dns323/Beta/Firmware/dns323_fw_108b05_beta.zip
+ updated apps:
ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Multimedia/dns323/Beta/Apps/dns323_bittorrent_package_100_08042009.zip
ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Multimedia/dns323/Beta/Apps/dns323_bonjour_package_100_07292009.zip
ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Multimedia/dns323/Beta/Apps/dns323_easy_search_4700_08052009.zip
ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Multimedia/dns323/Beta/Apps/dns323_firefly_package_100_08052009.zip
ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Multimedia/dns323/Beta/Apps/dns323_noip_ddns_package_100_07292009.zip
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Could anyone from DLink post what's changed in this beta from the last one? Or even better, what makes this still a beta instead of a release? Should really help me before buying 2x2TB drives and upgrade my DNS-323.
Thanks!
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How about the NFS package, any news on that?
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Release notes
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=5485.0
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How about the NFS package, any news on that?
We may be re-adding it. It is being looked into. It appears that we can stablize it...HOWEVER..theres a catch. If a user wants format their hard drives and they are running NFS, they will have to reboot the unit first. So far thats where its at and may be acceptable for a release. Will update you next week :).
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We may be re-adding it. It is being looked into. It appears that we can stablize it...HOWEVER..theres a catch. If a user wants format their hard drives and they are running NFS, they will have to reboot the unit first. So far thats where its at and may be acceptable for a release. Will update you next week :).
VERY acceptable to me if we get NFS. Just my 2 cents...
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Hi there. Don't want to push to hard but any news about NFS...? ::)
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What's all the craze about NFS? Can't you only use the standard file share like everyone else? Works perfect for me... I would vote to stop working on NFS if this can make the new firmware come out faster!
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What's all the craze about NFS? Can't you only use the standard file share like everyone else? Works perfect for me... I would vote to stop working on NFS if this can make the new firmware come out faster!
When you say "standard file share" I assume you are referring to SMB which is what microsoft uses. It works ok for machines running microsoft windows, but is, well, clumsy to say the least for people that use Linux. SMB does not suit my purposes, so I will not use it. Not a craze, just being practical.
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We may be re-adding it. It is being looked into. It appears that we can stablize it...HOWEVER..theres a catch. If a user wants format their hard drives and they are running NFS, they will have to reboot the unit first. So far thats where its at and may be acceptable for a release. Will update you next week :).
That sounds fine to me, it would only be a minor inconvenience, certainly not a show-stopper. I am certainly looking forward to the release. Thanks.
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There are more changes in new firmware:
- HTTPS access:
(http://i28.tinypic.com/dwbc60.png) - Slot info (Right / Left):
(http://i25.tinypic.com/2wdzm09.png)
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Can the updated add-ons only be used with 1.08 b5, or also with the first 1.08 beta?
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Well well, we are almost a month past the end of July, when 1.08 final was definitely going to be ready. Does anyone dare hazard an opinion as to when it may be released, with a working NFS plugin? Or should I just give up and go and buy (or build) a decent NAS instead?
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So when on earth will the NEW firmware be released? It's taking way too long!
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"Final" build arrived yesterday. Looking at a couple weeks of testing if no critical bugs are found. As to NFS, we have a new package that will release with the final code to support NFS.
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"Final" build arrived yesterday. Looking at a couple weeks of testing if no critical bugs are found. As to NFS, we have a new package that will release with the final code to support NFS.
You're a brave person to put another time line out there.
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Well if I don't have faith where does that put our customers at =P. Besides theres a clause in there "if no critical bugs are found"!
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Any chances for S.M.A.R.T. support in the final firmware (like in DNS-321 and DNS-343) ?
My second question - what is the point of keeping built-in iTunes server (in the context of Firefly APKG package and limited flash space)?
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"Final" build arrived yesterday. Looking at a couple weeks of testing if no critical bugs are found. As to NFS, we have a new package that will release with the final code to support NFS.
That is great news indeed! :D:D:D
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Any chances for S.M.A.R.T. support in the final firmware (like in DNS-321 and DNS-343) ?
My second question - what is the point of keeping built-in iTunes server (in the context of Firefly APKG package and limited flash space)?
SMART Wouldn't fit in the 8mb flash so we couldn't fit it. Possibly an addon later but we tend to stay away from things that mess with HD's when running from the HD.
Good question on the iTunes, I had not actually realized that the original one was still there ><. Get back to you on that one.
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Maybe S.M.A.R.T. would fit in the 8mb flash if D-Link removes old iTunes server?
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Well if I don't have faith where does that put our customers at =P. Besides theres a clause in there "if no critical bugs are found"!
Hmm, so it's within this week i believe it will be out?
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Yeah, it will be out Monday.
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"Final" build arrived yesterday. Looking at a couple weeks of testing.....
How could advice posted on Friday the 28th of August turn into;
Yeah, it will be out Monday.
I'm betting it'll be out no earlier than Sept 15th!
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I posted on the 28th a couple weeks,, its now the 31st (3 days later). So no it will not be about this week.
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A couple of weeks later, any update?
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this is a joke!
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It's not going to be this week because apparently releases don't happen on a Friday. Is that because they are all at the pub/home early/there's no one in to rush a patch out over the weekend? :)
I love my DNS, that's why I can't wait to see this update.
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I say take your time with the firmware update release and get it right. I recently seen where a company released a firmware update for a blu-ray player which nearly "bricked" the player and everyone had to go back one release. I am looking forward to the new release, I'm especially interested to see how the music server performs...As of now, I'm extremely pleased with the purchase of my 323
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Between the dir-655 and waiting for this firmware, I am not so sure about the quality of the firmware releases these days.
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Between the dir-655 and waiting for this firmware, I am not so sure about the quality of the firmware releases these days.
I gotta ask - how do you correlate quality and waiting?
Now if they were rushing the upgrades out, fast & buggy - I'd understand where you're coming from - some of us have long indicated a preference for a longer wait and a higher quality - see the post above yours for example.
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I gotta ask - how do you correlate quality and waiting?
Now if they were rushing the upgrades out, fast & buggy - I'd understand where you're coming from - some of us have long indicated a preference for a longer wait and a higher quality - see the post above yours for example.
I also prefer to wait for proper testing of the code. Stability of the code and reliability of the device are paramount to me.
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I agree. But they said 2 weeks and it's not here. Given this is a forum for the beta, it would be nice if D-Link gave us updates as to what was happening, what stage they are at, what issues they are facing, when the update is likely to be out.
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haha haha ha
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Can we know what the critical bug is that delayed the deployment of the new firmware? I am assuming a critical bug was found since we are almost 3 weeks past the point of when you received the final build.
Thank you
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Yes... I would like the D-Link staff to keep us more up-to-date regarding the progress of this new firmware version. They could create a stickied, read-only thread which should be updated weekly letting us know of the progress.
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just bought a 2nd unit and have been transferring 1tb of data off my old unit for the past 3 days over wired lan..
wondering if i should hold off setting up my new unit until this firmware comes out so i have fxp support to make transfers quicker between the two units or just deal with 1.07?
any ideas?
just hate setting everything up only for a new firmware to get released that i can't install without transferring all my data off the dns to a computer then back (which takes days)
any updates or info from dlink would be appreciated
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I agree,
While I am content to wait, however anxiously, for the final release, it is evident from this thread that the principles of excellent customer service dictate that keeping your customers informed leads to greater satisfaction. Whether it is in a hospital, a car dealership, or a software upgrade forum, most people wait much more patiently when they know why they are waiting. An update that may only take 15 minutes once a week could save even more time dealing with complants and whining from the customers in waiting.
BTW.....Thanks for all the hard work making a great product an even better one
Ken - NM9P
>>>Yes... I would like the D-Link staff to keep us more up-to-date regarding the progress of this new firmware version. They could create a stickied, read-only thread which should be updated weekly letting us know of the progress.
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I doubt that the new firmware will be enough faster to justify waiting for the release.
I moved about 900gigabytes in just over 24 hours, so three days seems excessive. Are you using gigabit connections and jumbo frames? I had gigabit but not jumbo frames for the move, when I configured jumbo frames, the speed has increased, so the transfer could probably be done in 12-14 hours with the current configuration.
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I agree,
While I am content to wait, however anxiously, for the final release, it is evident from this thread that the principles of excellent customer service dictate that keeping your customers informed leads to greater satisfaction. Whether it is in a hospital, a car dealership, or a software upgrade forum, most people wait much more patiently when they know why they are waiting. An update that may only take 15 minutes once a week could save even more time dealing with complants and whining from the customers in waiting.
BTW.....Thanks for all the hard work making a great product an even better one
Ken - NM9P
Exactly my thoughts. Well said.
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I doubt that the new firmware will be enough faster to justify waiting for the release.
I moved about 900gigabytes in just over 24 hours, so three days seems excessive. Are you using gigabit connections and jumbo frames? I had gigabit but not jumbo frames for the move, when I configured jumbo frames, the speed has increased, so the transfer could probably be done in 12-14 hours with the current configuration.
would the fxp ability not justify the wait? to me the option to transfer data between units without transferring to a computer as the middle man is enormous. especially if you don't have as much storage on said computer.
i'm not gigabit, just 100mbps. the only thing limiting me is my linksys wrt54gl - but i'm happy with it currently with dd-wrt running and really the only time i'm needing faster speeds is when i have to upgrade firmware on these devices and transfer all my data off & back on.
maybe next time i'll grab a friends gigabit router just for the sake of speed.. assuming 1.08 hasn't been released by then
thanks for the reply
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You do realize that you can stick a gigabit switch in front of the router and have gigabit on the local network, right? I've seen 5 port gigabit switches for as little as $20 at times on the bargain sites.
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This is the last dlink product I will ever own!
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You do realize that you can stick a gigabit switch in front of the router and have gigabit on the local network, right? I've seen 5 port gigabit switches for as little as $20 at times on the bargain sites.
did not realize this.. but wasn't exactly looking for faster options either before now.
picked up a little dlink switch in the meantime as im sure it'll come in handy at some point.
cheers!
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come on, months late and not even a status update, what are you, braggarts?
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come on, months late and not even a status update, what are you, braggarts?
Jeremy, give it a rest. I read through your other posts and all you do is whine.
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Jeremy, give it a rest. I read through your other posts and all you do is whine.
Seconded.
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Jeremy, give it a rest. I read through your other posts and all you do is whine.
Ditto
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come on, months late and not even a status update, what are you, braggarts?
Where exactly was it written on your unit or in its manual that you are entitled to continuous firmware upgrades that add additional features at no additional costs?
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I too have been (quietly) waiting for the beta to be released or at least details associated with the release. Really, how long does it take for the developers to shoot off an email that just states that they were delayed, move to another project, fell off a cliff, whatever? I was not promised anything more then the product(s) that I purchased but I currently own 2 dns323's and am waiting to buy at least 6 more for friends and customers if 1.08 fixes all that they say it will.
If they (DLink) will instead be releasing a new product and that is what the staff have been doing rather then testing the beta code for the DNS-323 then I would rather wait for the new product.
BTW: I looked at the past posts from Jeremy as well and I don't think he's whining, just persistent. So, much like your question about what was or was not promised us when we purchased this product, who promised you that everything you read on a publicly available forum would be to your liking?
Let the silly childish flaming begin.... ;D
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I too have been (quietly) waiting for the beta to be released or at least details associated with the release. Really, how long does it take for the developers to shoot off an email that just states that they were delayed, move to another project, fell off a cliff, whatever? I was not promised anything more then the product(s) that I purchased but I currently own 2 dns323's and am waiting to buy at least 6 more for friends and customers if 1.08 fixes all that they say it will.
If they (DLink) will instead be releasing a new product and that is what the staff have been doing rather then testing the beta code for the DNS-323 then I would rather wait for the new product.
BTW: I looked at the past posts from Jeremy as well and I don't think he's whining, just persistent. So, much like your question about what was or was not promised us when we purchased this product, who promised you that everything you read on a publicly available forum would be to your liking?
Let the silly childish flaming begin.... ;D
I agree with you that there is a lack of communication. And that it could be handled better,certainly for people waiting for news on whether or not to buy the product. But I stick to my statement that everything we are getting is more than we have paid for, and should not be taken for granted. How many companies keep on supporting hardware this way?
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Actually, most computer companies support their products for a number of years. Just pick a router model, for instance, and see what firmware upgrades have been made. As long as the product is in active production, which this one is, there should be support. Since this product has a higher price that most routers, there's no reason it can't be supported at least as well.
OTOH, I'm willing to wait a bit for the release, I'm just hoping some of the suggestions in the features request thread are put in place. :)
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Active support? Yes. Of course. Firmware upgrades that fix security issues? Of course! Firmware upgrades that add a s***load of new features? Rare.
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Where exactly was it written on your unit or in its manual that you are entitled to continuous firmware upgrades that add additional features at no additional costs?
Where is it written that it is OK to purchase a product which doesn't work as advertised because of software bugs and not expect a firmware update?
The web server crashing on an invalid username, formatting the wrong disks after a RAID failure... these are issues that I don't want to run in to and I'm pretty sure weren't advertised. EXT3 support was removed and file system tools such as scan disk and defrag which were advertised got removed.
I don't even know if the wrong drive formatting issue has been fixed. There was talk about a serial number check. If the RAID rebuild doesn't work, the product is as good as useless.
Aside from the extra features (which to me are a bonus) it's stability I am interested in.
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If the RAID rebuild doesn't work, the product is as good as useless.
Actually - as desirable as it is to have the ability to rebuild a RAID array, it's not a requirement for a RAID array to be functional.
As long as the data remains available in the event of a disk failure, then the array has served it's purpose - the first arrays I worked with a decade and a half ago did not have provision for rebuild as today's own do.
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Actually - as desirable as it is to have the ability to rebuild a RAID array, it's not a requirement for a RAID array to be functional.
As long as the data remains available in the event of a disk failure, then the array has served it's purpose - the first arrays I worked with a decade and a half ago did not have provision for rebuild as today's own do.
Regardless, the DNS was designed to rebuild the array. If it doesn't do it properly, it's not doing what it was designed and advertised to do.
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I bought my NAS when the beta firmware was released, and NFS was one of the features. I feel that I have a right to expect that, and to expect it to work.
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Regardless, the DNS was designed to rebuild the array. If it doesn't do it properly, it's not doing what it was designed and advertised to do.
Slightly different criteria being used there my friend - my point was not if this device was designed to rebuild the array, but rather whether that RAID without a rebuild feature will do what RAID is required to do - namely ensure that the data remains accessible.
But - since you raise the point - I've been using a DNS-323 for over 30 months, starting with firmware rev 1.02b, and I have upgraded and tested RAID1 rebuild on every firmware version - and it has NEVER failed in any of my tests.
In short - the RAID rebuild works when done as D-Link has instructed - if you (not personally) or anyone else, chooses to deviate from thise instructions, or to go around swapping disks backward and forward (as some people think they should be able to) and experience difficulty & data loss - where does the blame lie?
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- if you (not personally) or anyone else, chooses to deviate from thise instructions, or to go around swapping disks backward and forward (as some people think they should be able to) and experience difficulty & data loss - where does the blame lie?
I agree. For me the DNS has always worked fine and I am happy with it (all the while it is working). I have read a few posts along the lines of "It formatted the wrong drive!" though, which are somewhat disturbing.
I would of course have a backup of the data before I did anything but it is an inconvenience.
I still think given Dlink have created a forum specifically for a beta firmware and have excited its customers with the promise of a new version with lots of features and fixes, that the least they could do is supply us with an update now we are all intently watching and anticipating like a heard of helpless sheep. :)
If there isn't going to be a new version, fine, just say and I'll stop checking for it. It's just plain rude for Dlink not to acknowledge these posts.
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In short - the RAID rebuild works when done as D-Link has instructed - if you (not personally) or anyone else, chooses to deviate from thise instructions, or to go around swapping disks backward and forward (as some people think they should be able to) and experience difficulty & data loss - where does the blame lie?
Whoa now!
I know you are talking RAID here... But just in case...
I have a PROVEN and very well documented case when not using RAID, that the unit absolutely, positively formatted the wrong hard device even when I followed the instructions 100% correctly.
Even worse, it TELLS you its formatting the correct device, even while its formatting and destroying all your data on the wrong device.
I know the new 1.08 firmware is suppose to fix this, (by checking serial numbers), and I sure hope it does.
But to suggest that the "Formatting the wrong drive" is a user problem/error, is completely bogus!
Just because you haven't been bitten by the bug, does not mean it doesn't exist.
BTW, I can handle lots of small bugs, but formatting the wrong drive probably is one of the worst things that this product can do.
(The worst of course would be it corrupting files randomly, at least that isn't happening...)
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Whoa now!
I know you are talking RAID here... But just in case...
I have a PROVEN and very well documented case when not using RAID, that the unit absolutely, positively formatted the wrong hard device even when I followed the instructions 100% correctly.
Even worse, it TELLS you its formatting the correct device, even while its formatting and destroying all your data on the wrong device.
I know the new 1.08 firmware is suppose to fix this, (by checking serial numbers), and I sure hope it does.
But to suggest that the "Formatting the wrong drive" is a user problem/error, is completely bogus!
Just because you haven't been bitten by the bug, does not mean it doesn't exist.
BTW, I can handle lots of small bugs, but formatting the wrong drive probably is one of the worst things that this product can do.
(The worst of course would be it corrupting files randomly, at least that isn't happening...)
Sometimes I wonder what you guys really know ...
I know the new 1.08 firmware is suppose to fix this, (by checking serial numbers), and I sure hope it does.
That serial number check has been in the firmware for awhile now - I don't recall exactly when it was introduced, but it certainly is NOT new to 1.08.
As for not being "bitten by the big", I'm not going to say it does not exist, what I will say is that I have yet to see it happen, or to see any thing more than an anecdotal reference to it happening (such as this one).
I will also say that unless you (or anyone else - including D-Link) can provide a sequence of steps guaranteed to reproduce the phenomenon (perhaps one out of every three or four tries), it's going to take some time to identify the cause, fix it and then test it - and before you (or anyone else) jumps on me yelling about that's not my job, or whatever, I simply pointing out that undocumented intermittent problems are the hardest to locate.
Yes, I have seen enough posts to convince me that there is a problem, to the point that I caution people about making backups before removing/replacing disks, but the majority of those posts have been rants about lost data rather than "documented" reports.
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As for not being "bitten by the big", I'm not going to say it does not exist, what I will say is that I have yet to see it happen, or to see any thing more than an anecdotal reference to it happening (such as this one).
I will also say that unless you (or anyone else - including D-Link) can provide a sequence of steps guaranteed to reproduce the phenomenon (perhaps one out of every three or four tries), it's going to take some time to identify the cause, fix it and then test it - and before you (or anyone else) jumps on me yelling about that's not my job, or whatever, I simply pointing out that undocumented intermittent problems are the hardest to locate.
Yes, I have seen enough posts to convince me that there is a problem, to the point that I caution people about making backups before removing/replacing disks, but the majority of those posts have been rants about lost data rather than "documented" reports.
I write drivers for a living, and trust me, I know all about bugs and trying to find and fix them, especially the intermittent, rare or race'y ones.
However, this one is NOT a difficult one to trigger, and is pretty shocking that it exists still in at least 1.07.
I posted my exact sequence in this post:
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=4724.msg30189#msg30189
I haven't complained about the issue since I posted that, because honestly, burn me once, shame on you, burn me twice, shame on me.
I simply won't allow the bug/failure to burn me again.
But I do feel bad for others that absolutely will run into it, and will end up losing all their data because of it.
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Scottk
I hope you don't mind if I ask you to back track a few posts - specifically I need you to re-read my post, the one that you quoted, and specifically to re-read the section that you quoted.
In short - the RAID rebuild works when done as D-Link has instructed - if you (not personally) or anyone else, chooses to deviate from thise instructions, or to go around swapping disks backward and forward (as some people think they should be able to) and experience difficulty & data loss - where does the blame lie?
Now go re-read your post in the thread that you linked to - I believe you can be considered the epitome of my example ...
Did your disk fail ? No.
Did you replace the failed disk as per D-Link's instructions ? No.
How did you get into the incorrect disk formatted/lost data situation ? By swapping disks.
Where does the blame lie ? Not with D-Link.
Now - do you have a documented case of someone who followed D-Link's instructions and had the wrong disk formatted ? Or do you have more evidence that says that there is a bunch of folk out there creating problems for themselves and pointing fingers at D-Link?
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I see we are all anxiously awaiting the 1.08 release from the numerous post bickering back and forth about the anticipated release dates, etc.
I have had experience with software development in the past and it's not easy in anyway shape or form to hit target dates. Especially when you are a big company, that supports tons of products.
One incorrect packet can set the developers all the way back to the white board which unfortunately means missing release dates.
I think DLink should only post a beta when it's ready and not comment on potential release dates. As much as we would like to know this information it only makes them look bad when the date isn't met. I would rather they take all the time in the world and release a version that has been tested throughout. In this case we are dealing with DATA STORAGE and I can't afford a catastrophe.
Not only will I patiently wait for the release but once released i'll let you all play with it and as long as I don't see 50 posts about how it blew up your data i'll dl and install.
I really don't care for new features as much, as I care about truly stable releases which honor the features that were on the box / manual when I bought it. If they take a feature out that I liked I would not be happy, but given a reasonable explanation from Dlink I would understand. I think an explanation for any removed features is very important and it better be something like that the feature was causing a bug or something of sorts.
Guys/Gals just wait for it. It will come eventually.
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Scottk
I hope you don't mind if I ask you to back track a few posts - specifically I need you to re-read my post, the one that you quoted, and specifically to re-read the section that you quoted.
Now go re-read your post in the thread that you linked to - I believe you can be considered the epitome of my example ...
Did your disk fail ? No.
Did you replace the failed disk as per D-Link's instructions ? No.
How did you get into the incorrect disk formatted/lost data situation ? By swapping disks.
Where does the blame lie ? Not with D-Link.
Now - do you have a documented case of someone who followed D-Link's instructions and had the wrong disk formatted ? Or do you have more evidence that says that there is a bunch of folk out there creating problems for themselves and pointing fingers at D-Link?
Wow. Just wow.
I followed the EXACT procedure as given by DLINK for installing a drive into a non-RAID setup.
NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING that is on that 2nd disk should affect disk 1, when in a non-RAID setup.
I don't care what is on that 2nd disk. Windows partitions, Linux partitions, or some random TrueCrypt disk.
It SHOULD NOT touch the first disk.
PERIOD.
Even WORSE, is when D-Link's firmware ACKNOWLEDGES that its not going to touch the first disk during the whole process of bringing that 2nd disk in...
But then it goes and trashes the first disk anyway...
Surely you can agree that if the above is true, its a problem, right?
Otherwise, using your theory, if I install a 2nd hard disk into Windows, that happened to have some Linux partitions on it, that Microsoft is well within its rights to format/delete the *1ST* disk as well as the 2nd disk?
Look, I know you like the DNS-323 device.
Heck, I like it too.
Its a cute little device, and the fact that it runs Linux and we can fun_plug it is great too.
But this is a real issue, and one that WILL eat people's data, as shown by the threads on this Forum, as well as the threads on the other-not-supported-not-acknowledge-will-void-your-warranty fun_plug Forum.
Anyway, we probably should stop posting about this Failure here, as this thread isn't the best place for it.
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I followed the EXACT procedure as given by DLINK for installing a drive into a non-RAID setup.
Interesting - so in your mind - re-installing a disk previously installed in the unit and which had been removed & reformatted - counts as the EXACT procedure for installing a drive into a non-RAID setup.
Had you been installing a drive not previously installed in the unit - or not recently removed from the unit - the unit would not have had the drive's serial number in flash.
What you did was to creating a situation which the developers had not foreseen and planned for - but - what the heck, it should handle all anomalies gracefully and not crash & burn, right?
And in your mind - this problem was not caused by the user's previous actions - I hear you, I just don't believe what I'm hearing.
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So now that the DNS321's firmware is almost released will we see some movement on this unit?
From DNS321 Beta Forum today from D-Link Multimedia :
1.03 build 12 will be ECN'd as final. Working on packaging up all the nick nacks and what not for release today or tomorrow.
At least take a moment and update us on a possible release date of a full firmware or new beta or at very least that specific issues are causing this delay (broken fingers, damaged email server, flaky internet access, desperate need to be begged for updates etc...)
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WOW! Some people would ***** if they were hung with new rope!
They're about to release it, what "movement" are you looking for?
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Will NFS be working in the release?
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WOW! Some people would ***** if they were hung with new rope!
They're about to release it, what "movement" are you looking for?
I know that you have 1 of these units (and a DNS321) but I have 3 at home, 4 at customer locations and am waiting on the purchase of 6 more of these (possibly more). I assumed that this being a DLink forum about the beta firmware code that I would possibly get an answer from DLink about their beta. The movement I'm looking for is as simple as an update as it is no longer July and I would like to be able to go back to those that I've told to hold off on purchases until this new firmware was released and give them an update beyond "Well gunrunnerjohn says they're about to release it".
So really, unless you have something to contribute that will answer my question, or that will answer all our questions, that is fact not assumption then I thank you for your response but I still am looking forward to a response from DLink.
P.S.: Jeremy - good question! :)
Edited: Actual numbers were off as I actually took one back recently...-1 Customer +1 me :)
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So, where is 1.08, and how about NFS?
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So, where is 1.08, and how about NFS?
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We can not provide ETA's for upcoming firmware releases.
That being said I'm going to lock this thread as it's reached the end of it's usefulness a long time ago.
If anyone feels I've wronged them by doing so, please feel free to PM me.
-Lycan.