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Author Topic: Do Devices connected via Powerline need an entry in the Network (MAC) Filter?  (Read 17244 times)

Lrscpa

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I have a number of devices connected via Belkin's Powerline adapters.  Basically, an ethernet cable is run between 1) the LAN port on the DIR-655 and the Powerline adapter which is plugged into an AC wall outlet; 2) the second (or third) Powerline adapter is plugged into the distant AC outlet, with an ethernet cable connecting it to the remote device (laptop, PS3, etc).

Question is, since these are not wireless devices, should their MAC address be included in the Network Filter page of the DIR-655, as I allow listed MACs to access the network.
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Sammydad1

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Hi,

I have a few Powerline v1.X adapters here feeding the XBox360's in the home (spoiled kids 8-) )

I do not have the MACs for the powerline adapters in my MAC filter list.

I presume you could easily add them, however, you may run out of room in the list as its not really that big when you have more than a few devices and computers.

SD1
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EddieZ

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You need to add those in your MAC filter list when you use the MAC filter list to restrict access.
You can easily see this in the logs: when you forget to add them, there will be 'denied access' lines in the logs.
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lizzi555

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Quote
Question is, since these are not wireless devices, should their MAC address be included in the Network Filter page of the DIR-655, as I allow listed MACs to access the network.

The MAC filter applies to wireless and wired devices.
So all clients have to be entered in the MAC filter list.
The powerline adapters themselves don't use MAC addresses to communicate with the router.
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EddieZ

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The powerline adapters themselves don't use MAC addresses to communicate with the router.

Wrong. My 200 Mbps do and I suppose all brands have a MAC. I have not yet seen MAC-less networking devices (consumer). Or do you have a different interpretation of "communicating with the router" ?
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lizzi555

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.. Or do you have a different interpretation of "communicating with the router" ?
Yes, they don't need to communicate with the router only with their counterparts.
Try it out and enable the MAC filter. You only need the MAC addresses of the clients, not the powerline adapters.
They pass through the traffic and the router will only see the clients MAC.

But you're right, they have MAC addresses.  ;)
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EddieZ

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Yes, they don't need to communicate with the router only with their counterparts.
Try it out and enable the MAC filter. You only need the MAC addresses of the clients, not the powerline adapters.
They pass through the traffic and the router will only see the clients MAC.

But you're right, they have MAC addresses.  ;)

Well, have I got news: leaving them out of the MAC filter will block access. Just gave it a try.
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lizzi555

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Clients can not connect through them ?
That's new to me - I'll give it a try tomorrow.
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EddieZ

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Clients can not connect through them ?
That's new to me - I'll give it a try tomorrow.

Log says: Access denied to wireless system with MAC address xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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lizzi555

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Log says: Access denied to wireless system with MAC address xxxxxxxxxxxxx


Are we talking about the same ? Wireless system  is denied in your log but powerline is not wireless.

Internet<---Router---LAN---DHP-300<---powerline--->DHP-300---LAN---LAN-Client.

In this case I did only need to enter the MAC of the LAN client.
I'm not 100% sure but I will try tomorrow.
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EddieZ

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Are we talking about the same ? Wireless system  is denied in your log but powerline is not wireless.

Internet<---Router---LAN---DHP-300<---powerline--->DHP-300---LAN---LAN-Client.

In this case I did only need to enter the MAC of the LAN client.
I'm not 100% sure but I will try tomorrow.

I know what MAC is on the Powernet devices.... and that's exactly the one where the X's are in the log.
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lotacus

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yea, I dont know much about them because I dont know if they behave like a switch or a hub. :S
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lizzi555

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Set it up now and it worked without entering the MAC addresses of the powerline adapters.
They work similar to a HUB and are just passing through the data pakets.
I would have been surprised it not.  ;D

Needed a bit longer as my two DHP-300 powerline adapters normally are connecting the DIR-655 WAN port to the cable modem witch is 2 rooms far. I had to look for a 20m cable first to replace this connection.

I enabled the MAC filter with only the MAC of my configuration computer and the LAN MAC of my netbook.
(btw. more than 600 entries of denied access for the other devices in 10 min)
Worked without problem. Received a valid IP, had internet access and could open the config menu of my DIR.

And the netbook was shown as a LAN system:

[WARN] Sun Jan 31 10:35:09 2010 A network computer (Lizzi10) was assigned the IP address of 172.22.222.163.
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EddieZ

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Are you running the powerline adapters in DHCP mode? Some barnds have two settings: static and DHCP. In DHCP (i need the attached device to stay in the subnet) you need to add them to the MAC filter list.
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lizzi555

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Are you running the powerline adapters in DHCP mode? Some barnds have two settings: static and DHCP. In DHCP (i need the attached device to stay in the subnet) you need to add them to the MAC filter list.
They do not have DHCP or static mode. You can't reach them via TCP/IP - only with the provided D-Link Tool.
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