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Grimreaper15

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How do I set up Gamefuel for...
« on: October 05, 2010, 07:50:54 PM »

How do I set up gamefuel for World of Warcraft for 2 computers running it at the same time, read in another post(The one where Furry and Tricky had posted a bunch) on here that forwarding the ports for WoW under the Advanced\Gaming area wont work or will cause issues if I run WoW on 2 computers at the same time soo...
what do I put in
Local IP Range: would it be the lower of our computer IP addresses than the higher one?
Local Port Range:do i enter the WoW ports here and will i need to do this separately for each port?
Remote IP Range:is this one for the WoW IP addresses?
and Remote Port Range:do i enter the port ranges for WoW here to?

Also since i switch servers a bit for the WoW IP ranges should I enter 12.129.122.1 to 12.129.255 for the LA servers than make another one gamefuel rule  that is for 206.16.118.1  to 206.16.119.255 for the Phoenix servers with the same ports as the LA one?
Any help with this would be much appreciated!!! :)
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Re: How do I set up Gamefuel for...
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2010, 08:16:43 PM »

Lets read thru this post here and see what you come up with, there is a good link with in that should help you out. Let us know.
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=13625.msg80942#msg80942
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Re: How do I set up Gamefuel for...
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2010, 08:52:54 PM »

Read all the info there...So  I can basicaly turn off game fuel than since it doesnt do a damned thing for WoW? Also dont need to worry about forwarding the ports from what ir ead : /....doesnt seem right but ok...should i also turn of the routers firewall since i have a firewall on my PC ?
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Re: How do I set up Gamefuel for...
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2010, 09:04:43 PM »

thats up to you if you want to turn the routers firewall off. It's not recommended. I would let the router do the FW thing and turn off the PC FW. Takes up resources that are valuable IMO.
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Re: How do I set up Gamefuel for...
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2010, 09:07:32 PM »

ok than :) So would you agree that theres no point in running the game fuel or port forwarding the ports for it because it doesnt need it or use it?
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Re: How do I set up Gamefuel for...
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2010, 11:14:24 PM »

GameFuel is okay for WoW.  But if your connection is starved for bandwidth, it can be a problem in raids and what not.  I've seen multiple cases of it timing out. 

But yes, you can setup GameFuel for both easily.  Is it gonna be recommended?  Maybe.  It's situational.  Having it set for normal priority is fine, and not needed to be set any higher really, unless you want your computer to have priority.  What it won't do is lower pings, which is what your after it seems like.
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Re: How do I set up Gamefuel for...
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2010, 01:08:22 PM »

ok than :) So would you agree that theres no point in running the game fuel or port forwarding the ports for it because it doesnt need it or use it?

How doesn't it not work for WoW? It manages the QoS for certian port ranges. If your 4500 isn't your bottle neck, yes, it won't do a thing for it. But if thats the case, you don't even need touch your 4500 and you should hunt for the actually problem. With WoW, most times the latency is between your ISP and the WoW servers and there isn't anything you can do about it. Or it could be your computer, your ISP, your modem's connection, etc. So +1 for Furry.  Gamefuel is for throughput, not latency.
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Re: How do I set up Gamefuel for...
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2010, 03:57:54 PM »

How doesn't it not work for WoW? It manages the QoS for certian port ranges. If your 4500 isn't your bottle neck, yes, it won't do a thing for it. But if thats the case, you don't even need touch your 4500 and you should hunt for the actually problem. With WoW, most times the latency is between your ISP and the WoW servers and there isn't anything you can do about it. Or it could be your computer, your ISP, your modem's connection, etc. So +1 for Furry.  Gamefuel is for throughput, not latency.

Well in the link he provided a few of the more thorough posts said it wouldnt do much of anything at all if youre trying to play WoW on more than one computer at a time...
Anyways think i found a way for it to work. Under Advanced\Gaming when u go to add the ports and what not instead of putting in one of the IP addresses for the computers i just put in the one thats under the
Status\Device Info\Lan theres another IP address there and that seems to work /shrug
My bad i thought Gamefuel was a better(more technical) port forwarding system than the one under gaming : / Thanks again for the thought and such and yes my internet sucks right now :( Sucks living in the middle of no where heh
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Re: How do I set up Gamefuel for...
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2010, 04:32:23 PM »

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it wouldnt do much of anything at all if youre trying to play WoW on more than one computer at a time...

Thats not exactly true. See the problem is when your playing a multiplayer game, the game talks to the server (and visa versa) through certian ports. Theres two parts of this; the IP the traffic is going to and from, and the port the traffic is going through on both incoming and outgoing connections. When your connected to a modem, the IP address the traffic is coming from (your computer) is the same IP address the traffic is going to. Also, the ports are opened by the game itself. When your connected to your router, it uses Network Address Translation(NAT) to link the outgoing traffic from your PC to the return traffic the server sends backs. I could go a ton into how NAT works, and how it plays a roll in gaming, but thats beyond the scope of this post. Lets just think of it as technology that is needed in the router to properly route the traffic back to the right place that it started.

But NAT doesnt't always work.  Your setting rules to inform traffic inside your network how to get where it needs to go to make a certian game work. So if a TCP packet is sent out from your PC, makes it to the WoW server, and is then sent back, and it makes it to your router, it may not know how to get to the computer that sent it.  Thats where the "Gaming" section comes in. Your telling the router that when packets of this type are looking for this port, please direct them to this computer. If two PC are trying to use the same port, but two to different locations, then port forwarding doesn't work. It would be like having two people in your house, and they both want to forward the house phone to their cell phones. You call the number, and the phone company doesn't know where to send it. Thats where port triggers come in and using the Private Server function, but thats for more P2P (Bittorrent, etc) and not multiplayer games.  And if packets don't know where to go, they go to the wrong place, or they get dropped by the router. Which means they have to be resent. That means latency. Where the big problem comes from is if either side determines the connection to be unstable, it will dump it. I have seen this sometimes cause routers to reboot. Other times it just disconnects you from the game server. Best case is it just creates a huge latency spike while the two connections handshake again.

Now there is a second part of this. The Gaming part just handles where(IP) the data is going, and how(Port) to get there. It doesn't control the priority(QoS) it gives that process. Gamefuel is a intelligence QoS that prioritized traffic based on ports. It knows that certain ports are used for certain data that is time sensitive (movies, VOIP, gaming, etc) so gives that traffic a higher priority. A Gamefuel rule is a way of setting specific rules to over-ride Gamefuel much like a Gaming rule override NAT. So you can say when traffic is coming in on this port to this IP, give it priority over the average stuff. It mostly focuses on the outgoing traffic, since frequently that is where the bottleneck is. Also, you don't want to set the priority too high. Its a common mistake to set it to one or some very low number. But all that does is decrease the performance of other traffic on your network without much gain at all. The reason range is so great is so Gamefuel can use Auto-classification to a greater effect without conflicts.

But yea, another long post. Sorry. But as you can see, its really complicated. ::chuckle::
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Re: How do I set up Gamefuel for...
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2010, 04:57:09 PM »

Ok than so would gamefuel be worth useing for WoW? and how(where) would you enter youre IP ranges in Local than enter the IP range for WoW in Remote? Would you also enter the WoW ports in the remote port and local ones? or just the remote ones? or is this all not even worth bothering with for WoW ? yay for complications heh.
Yea my internet isnt very good because i dont live near any ground lines :( so that may be my biggest problem, our ISP is currently useing an SBC service and is trying to switch over to a Verizon based service so it would be faster.
Also useing the latest firmware 23NA  are there any specific options i should change int he router itself for it to work better/faster? i fallowed Furry's post on how to set it up for general usage and for the xbox. Any additional info is allways wortht he read no matter the size of the head ache it gives hehe
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Re: How do I set up Gamefuel for...
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2010, 05:23:02 PM »

To tell if Gamefuel would help is to see if NAT, QoS or packet loss from the firewall is causing you latency spikes. Keep in mind, latency spikes is different then latency. Latency spike is something that delays traffic temporly (and intermidently) causing in game problems. This is usually known as Lag. Latency in general is the amount of time it takes for your traffic to go from point A to B, then back to A. Gamefuel or anything like that will only help with latency if the latency it causes with the traffic is below design.

So the question is how to tell that? Easy, connect your PC to the router and run the game, look at your latency (over time). Then connect directly to the modem. How much does it increase. A increase of 20-40 I would think is acceptable, but that depends. If its in the 50-200ms (above what you got before) range, then yea, gaming and gamefuel can help.

As for how to set it up, yea, review the sticky. Local IP ranges is the range of IPs you want the router to forward to. Say 192.168.0.101 to 192.168.0.105. The more specific you can be with your ranges the better, since the percisly your routing the traffic. This isn't so much of a problem unless your playing on the same server on WoW on 2 different PC's at the same time. If that is the case, and you do hardcore gaming, get a second IP and get a bridge. The remote range is the range of the IP's of your WoW server. It doesn't have to be specific (that doesnt effect performance) but its a good idea to try since you are overriding some of your firewall.
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Grimreaper15

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Re: How do I set up Gamefuel for...
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2010, 07:47:34 PM »

Ah ok, 'This isn't so much of a problem unless your playing on the same server on WoW on 2 different PC's at the same time." is my problem. by getting a second IP do you mean to get another service from my isp? Don't mean to be such a tard but this is kinda new to me. Luckily i can pick up stuff quickly ;) Any technical stuff that can be explained is appreciable :)
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Re: How do I set up Gamefuel for...
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2010, 08:31:49 PM »

Don't get me wrong, you can still make it work without a second IP, its just more problematic. But what I mean by getting a second IP is paying your ISP more money to be allowed two seperate IP to be assigned to your modem. How this is down, or whether this can be done, depends on your ISP. In mine, you pay extra for two dynamic IP's(can change once in a while), but some DSL allow you to get two static IP's(never changes, usually assigned to the mac of a device). Think of IP's like a phone number for your house. If your having issues with people (PC's) getting calls (traffic) from the wrong people, you may need to get two phone lines.

With two computers trying to connect to the same server at the same time, on the same IP, I find it best to use UPnP and setting your NAT to Endpoint and Endpoint for TCP and UDP respectivly. Then set a Gamefuel to give a priority of like 100 to one PC, and 150 to the other. It decrease the overall throughput, and maybe add a TINY bit more latency, but It will create a more stable connection overall.

Or if you can get another IP (call your ISP to see if possible) buy a switch and connect one ethernet from switch to router, and another ethernet from switch to 1st PC. Then set a ethernet from router to 2nd PC. Then just do the normal port forwarding the game suggests and your all set. Since the PC 1 has a direct to modem connection (switch is transparent) there is no conflict. However a second Ip is usually 5-10$ a month so its a cost to performance ratio. 
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Re: How do I set up Gamefuel for...
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2010, 03:40:35 PM »

Cool, will have to call my ISP up and ask. Thanks for youre time and willingness to explain everything :)
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