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Author Topic: New DIR 655- Need Help with wifi set up Blackberry  (Read 19633 times)

Ghostnyc

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New DIR 655- Need Help with wifi set up Blackberry
« on: December 07, 2008, 10:30:05 AM »

I got my DIR 655 (HW A3, FW 1.21) from Costco.  I am upgrading from the DI 624 (yup old workhorse lasted a long time)

On DI 624- I had 1 desktop hardwired, 2 Ibm Thinkpads, 1 Macbook and 2 Blackberry Curve's that connected to it with WPA security.  I disabled SSID broadcasting and set a unique network name.  All my home devices connected without any issues.  And any guest devices (friends, family, etc) that visited were able to easily connect easily once I gave them access.

Currently on DIR 655-  there are many more configuration options (good thing) and new terms. For example broadcasting SSID is now visible or invisible.   My blackberries won't connect at all to the network while invisible (however they will connect when visible).  I currently have Wireless Secure Mode set to WPA Personal and WPA set to AUTO.  My laptops however are connecting fine. 

ANY Advice/feedback will be appreciated I currently use blackberry with UMA to make phone calls- so its rather important for me to get this working again.
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Ghostnyc

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Re: New DIR 655- Need Help with wifi set up Blackberry
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2008, 11:47:07 AM »

Just to update previous message- I changed network status to VISIBLE- and blackberry immediately picked it up and logged into network, switched to back to invisible, blackberry lost connection cannot relocate.

Macbook has not lost connectivity at all, neither has thinkpad.
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KevTech

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Re: New DIR 655- Need Help with wifi set up Blackberry
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2008, 12:06:57 PM »

Have you tried setting up the blackberries connection setting manually to match the router?

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Reinvented

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Re: New DIR 655- Need Help with wifi set up Blackberry
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2008, 02:39:17 PM »

Disabling SSID visibility will always result in connection problems.  Albeit interruptions or just can't connect. 

Not sure why people would disable the visibility anyway.  Just causes more problems.  You are fine with WPA/WPA2 security anyway.
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Ghostnyc

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Re: New DIR 655- Need Help with wifi set up Blackberry
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2008, 07:11:03 PM »

Have you tried setting up the blackberries connection setting manually to match the router?



Yes I've tried that twice as well as performing a battery pull (considered a hard reset for a blackberry) and I still cannot connect.

Regarding comments by user- Reinvented- wpa/wpa2 are sometimes sufficient, but if you happen to come across some overly eager people trying to test out the latest in networking cracking software, I'd rather not have my network not show up on scans.  Granted, nothing is 100% fool proof, but that doesn't mean you have to make it easy for them. 

any other ideas, I would be glad to test them out.
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Re: New DIR 655- Need Help with wifi set up Blackberry
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2008, 07:54:48 PM »

Disabling SSID visibility will always result in connection problems.  Albeit interruptions or just can't connect. 

Not sure why people would disable the visibility anyway.  Just causes more problems.  You are fine with WPA/WPA2 security anyway.
Disabling the SSID visibility is one of many steps used to help secure a network.
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Reinvented

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Re: New DIR 655- Need Help with wifi set up Blackberry
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2008, 10:38:40 PM »

Of course, but causes more connection problems than anything.

If you are a home user, then the chances of someone doing some wardriving and ACTUALLY being good at it, are slim to none.  And unless you have VERY VERY sensitive information, then there's no need for turning off SSID visibility. Again, it's ONLY causing you problems with connectivity. 

WPA2 is strong enough, and most devices these days can utilize it.  And if you want to secure your network, and keep people from accessing it, your shares on your network should have user accounts to allow access to only certain people.  Force AES if your devices are capable of it too. 
« Last Edit: December 07, 2008, 10:43:46 PM by Reinvented »
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Lycan

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Re: New DIR 655- Need Help with wifi set up Blackberry
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2008, 09:21:43 AM »

Disabling SSID broadcast is NOT a security measure. EVER. Anyone that can hack the simplest of WEP keys is going to know how to use stumbler. You can disable the ESSID, but you can't disable the BSSID and thats what stumbler finds.

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gshaghoian

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Re: New DIR 655- Need Help with wifi set up Blackberry
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2008, 11:01:19 AM »

Anyone that is "trying the latest network cracking software" will be using, more than likely, the exact same software to discover every SSID within range - visible or not.

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twk3

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Re: New DIR 655- Need Help with wifi set up Blackberry
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2008, 01:21:45 PM »

@Ghost - let me know if you experience any wireless restarts on the 655. I have my blackberry on UMA, and have been troubleshooting wirless restarts for weeks.
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Ghostnyc

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Re: New DIR 655- Need Help with wifi set up Blackberry
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2008, 04:37:53 PM »

@Ghost - let me know if you experience any wireless restarts on the 655. I have my blackberry on UMA, and have been troubleshooting wirless restarts for weeks.

As of yet, no wireless restarts on the 655. On Sunday pretty much spent the day working on varios things online while my GF was streaming some content without interuption or issues. With my previous router DI 624 one of us got kicked off the network when we started streaming some media content, DIR 655 so far handles that issue well.   I will be on the look out for that issue though, I am planning to use UMA on 655 as well.

If anyone has any ideas as to why the invisibility option is not functioning- I will be glad to hear it and test out a solution.  Whether its security issue or not, I don't want to get caught up in that arguement. I really respect your opinion. But its my preference & I just would like to know that something I spent my money on actually works and that all the features it is capable of work as well.   

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twk3

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Re: New DIR 655- Need Help with wifi set up Blackberry
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2008, 11:15:29 AM »

I just made mine invisible, and at first I thought I saw the same problem. About 20 minutes later my blackberry pearl 8120 did connect, and tunneled into the UMA.

I'm using firmware 1.21 for the router, and I downloaded the most recent firmware from blackberry (which fixed a wifi-tower handoff problem I was having with it)

I have given the blackberry a DHCP reservation on the router, and I have WPS turned off. I'm on mixed N and G mode, fixed channel to channel 1, and channel width set to 20 MHz.

I did not give the router a domain name.

Hope this helps.
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Ghostnyc

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Re: New DIR 655- Need Help with wifi set up Blackberry
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2008, 03:04:37 PM »

I just made mine invisible, and at first I thought I saw the same problem. About 20 minutes later my blackberry pearl 8120 did connect, and tunneled into the UMA.

I'm using firmware 1.21 for the router, and I downloaded the most recent firmware from blackberry (which fixed a wifi-tower handoff problem I was having with it)

I have given the blackberry a DHCP reservation on the router, and I have WPS turned off. I'm on mixed N and G mode, fixed channel to channel 1, and channel width set to 20 MHz.

I did not give the router a domain name.

Hope this helps.


I will test your out your settings on my network.  I tested out connection settings before with settings spec'd below for an estimated 45-60 minutes to no avail.

Firmware- 1.21
DHCP- No reservations for blackberry or any other device
WPS is off
On mixed B, G, N mode
Auto Channel
Auto width 20 mhz/40mhz
no domain name

Thanks twk3- will get back to you
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chrisnclovis

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Re: New DIR 655- Need Help with wifi set up Blackberry
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2008, 03:33:18 PM »

Regarding the making the SSID invisible, if someone wanted to hack into your network I'm sure they'd be using a wireless utility that can see the mac address of a network not broadcasting its SSID and they' d be using a packet sniffing program too which enables them to get all the info they need to to connect to the network including the SSID and the WPA passphrase and the mac filter list(if mac filtering is enabled).

WPA and WEP don't keep hackers out they keep people who are not hackers from connecting to your network. Most people are not hackers.
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Ghostnyc

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Re: New DIR 655- Need Help with wifi set up Blackberry
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2008, 10:14:21 AM »

Regarding the making the SSID invisible, if someone wanted to hack into your network I'm sure they'd be using a wireless utility that can see the mac address of a network not broadcasting its SSID and they' d be using a packet sniffing program too which enables them to get all the info they need to to connect to the network including the SSID and the WPA passphrase and the mac filter list(if mac filtering is enabled).

WPA and WEP don't keep hackers out they keep people who are not hackers from connecting to your network. Most people are not hackers.

Scottymo- What settings would you recommend for an overall secure network? 
Also just out of curiousity, I've read here and on other boards that not broadcasting your SSID is not a real security measure, Im curious as to why the option is still available on wireless routers?
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