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Neblinio

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Re: New Beta?
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2009, 05:48:45 AM »

EddieZ, I think the target audience for Securespot wouldn't even spend time researching and buying a high end router anyways. They would likely buy a low end router, or use the router sold by their ISP.

People buying a DIR-655 or similar router are likely power users who want the best possible performance for their home network (which again would likely consist of various kinds of computers, handhelds and other multimedia devices).
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EddieZ

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Re: New Beta?
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2009, 08:59:58 AM »

EddieZ, I think the target audience for Securespot wouldn't even spend time researching and buying a high end router anyways. They would likely buy a low end router, or use the router sold by their ISP.

People buying a DIR-655 or similar router are likely power users who want the best possible performance for their home network (which again would likely consist of various kinds of computers, handhelds and other multimedia devices).

Perhaps Dlink has some demographics on their clients, I don't know. 
Not all products have Securespot. I will not be available on the 855 for example, because it is considered a true high end router. Looking at current prices and test results in all kinds of comparisons I wouldn't be surprised that this router is sold to a lot of basic users. Sales guys do not promote a very cheap model to ignorant customers. They optimize their selling potential with those clients  ;D

So I disagree with your statement that it is considered a 'power users' ' router.
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summerstormpictures

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Re: New Beta?
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2009, 09:20:36 AM »

I'm not Dlink, for the record.

That's a load off. ;)

So it's clear you're not the target audience for Securespot. But looking at the number of n00bs using PC's (the millions of infected PC's worldwide (zombie networks), the succesfull phishing scams and so on) Securespot can solve their problem for the entire home network. Yes, they can also ask the neighbour or local PC store to help them but most of the people will turn off the installed programs once they experience issues like unavailable websites or blocked LAN's

As a Mac user, I'm definitely not the target audience--and perhaps never will be, it would seem.

Also, OpenDNS is not linked to any specific networking device, service provider, platform or hardware in general, and it has positive ''word of mouth'' working for it at all tiers, not just experts. SecureSpot is relatively obscure, and would seem to have a much narrower market of only those who find out about it most likely after having purchased a D-Link router.

Please do not project your own expertise of OpenDNS, AV and firewalls upon the rest of the world. Reality is so much worse that you should look at the product from the average users' point of view, not from your own expert perspective. And yes, compared to the 'average user level' you're considered an expert.

Appreciate the ''expert'' comment, but I'm far from it. I do know, however, of many companies, public libraries and universities who have implemented OpenDNS with great ease and success.

The core of my previous post was from a Macintosh point of view having to do with my opinion that ''in a perfect world'' D-Link routers seem to be much better than Apple branded devices and cost far less. My criticism is that SecureSpot never overtly lets Mac users know that it will only work for the PC/Windows platform, and makes Mac owners waste their 30-day trial period before, if ever, D-Link develops and/or releases a Mac-specific firmware/interface for SecureSpot.

My last bone of contention is that even for Windows users, OpenDNS is a much easier implementation to cover everything but online anti-virus protection. It is, in fact, much more accessible to the ''newbie'' who doesn't know diddly-squat about dangerous exposure on the WWW--and it is free. In this down economy, I feel it would be responsible, if not just plain ''nice'' to inform people about a better way to spend their money than on SecureSpot.

As for ''projecting'' -- I love those new Pico projectors! Was that what you were referring to? ;D
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EddieZ

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Re: New Beta?
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2009, 10:00:40 AM »

I agree with the fact that Mac users are left out, something that should be communicated much better.

OpenDNS is is many cases a good solution, although using it does have some side-effects that I don't like.
1. My IPv6 tunnels do not work (but these probably not used by basic users)
2. The blocking is very rigorous, even one of my own sites (which is purely dedicated to my lovely Somali cat) seemed to be a threat to other users numerous times.
3. It really does not block sites that are infected with malware or have active malware injectors. I checked and OpenDNS thought they were safe. Ended up with some nasty malware (which was removed by my AV suite)

So even though OpenDNS is free, you will have to take into account that the security level is not ultimate.
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Lycan

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Re: New Beta?
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2009, 08:29:53 AM »

You forgetting the most important aspect of the BSecure Securespot Suite. The fact that the backend monitors the traffic in REAL TIME. Yes it causes network over head on your internet connection, but for people like my mom that needs not only parental controls, but reporting of attempts to violate said controls in real time it is a real boon.

The fact is the Securespot can actually be a pain (IMHO) to configure. Having to do it for my mother often has become something of a chore. Though now it is working and they seem to be happy with for the most part. Granted their understanding of it (or lack there of) takes away from it's true effectiveness it allow my step brother and sister to enjoy the benefits of the interwebs with a pretty effective safety harness as it were.

As for the Mac client, I can't honestly say what the hold up is with that. My guess it due to Mac's relatively low distribution compared to PC's running XP/Vista and the overall LACK of threats to the Mac platform itself D-Link doesn't see the profit in making the client. Again this is my personal opinion not that of D-Link.

Lastly, your observation of what a consumer will purchase for their networking needs is skewed. Drastically. The fact is these same consumers lack so much knowledge of networking as a whole and whats needed for them to get their specific job done that the march in to places like Frys and Best Buy and ask for assistance. This ALL MOST always yields the same result. The consumer is sold something that they A) know NOTHING ABOUT B) Have no idea about the differences between the product models C) Has the flashiest box with the most BUZZ words on it. (e.g. 802.11N, GIGabit, and WiFi Alliance as well as the biggest one Vista Certified.)

We were very stagegic about which products got Securespot and which ones will have it added later.

Also Eddie, you might be wrong about the 855, I forsee SS being added to EVERYTHING.  ;)
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summerstormpictures

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Re: New Beta?
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2009, 08:38:44 AM »

...Yes it causes network over head on your internet connection...

''Overhead.'' I was wondering why my interaction speed with browsing the web was slowing down back when I had SS enabled. This seems to explain that. I felt like I was ''plowing snow'' not browsing. The more browsing I did seemed to slow things down (fill up the plow), but when I stopped for a bit (dumped the snow), it seemed to ''catch up'' so to speak...but then once again ''pile up snow in the plow'' as I browsed.
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Lycan

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Re: New Beta?
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2009, 08:40:05 AM »

I concur, however for the people that need it, it's worth the performance degradation.

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Toilet-Duck

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Re: New Beta?
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2009, 10:46:02 AM »

Any idea when this will be days, weeks, months?

Hoping to use 1.22 but want to use securespot to block out all the ads...

Anyone?  ???
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Lycan

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Re: New Beta?
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2009, 10:50:18 AM »

We're no given ETA's for code. However I know there's an alpha being tested now, the 1.21B11Beta I posted is the beta for the 1.22. I can only assume it's close.

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EddieZ

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Re: New Beta?
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2009, 11:36:09 AM »

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We were very stagegic about which products got Securespot and which ones will have it added later.

Also Eddie, you might be wrong about the 855, I forsee SS being added to EVERYTHING.  ;)

No problem, if you have the feature/code ready 'plug & play for BIOS insertion, why not  ;) For those wanting to use it I think it's a great feature. One-stop-shopping.
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Wal_

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Re: New Beta?
« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2009, 01:46:12 PM »

Any idea when this will be days, weeks, months?

Hoping to use 1.22 but want to use securespot to block out all the ads...

Soon

"Soon" does not imply any particular date, time, decade, century, or millennia in the past, present, and certainly not the future. "Soon" shall make no contract or warranty between D-Link Systems and the end user. "Soon" will arrive some day, D-Link does guarantee that "soon" will be here before the end of time. Maybe. Do not make plans based on "soon" as D-Link will not be liable for any misuse, use, or even casual glancing at "soon."
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EddieZ

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Re: New Beta?
« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2009, 01:48:55 PM »

Soon

"Soon" does not imply any particular date, time, decade, century, or millennia in the past, present, and certainly not the future. "Soon" shall make no contract or warranty between D-Link Systems and the end user. "Soon" will arrive some day, D-Link does guarantee that "soon" will be here before the end of time. Maybe. Do not make plans based on "soon" as D-Link will not be liable for any misuse, use, or even casual glancing at "soon."

You left out that 'soon' is much better than 'never'

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Wal_

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Re: New Beta?
« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2009, 01:50:24 PM »

You left out that 'soon' is much better than 'never'



Oh yeah, and that. but "better" is all relative to the user.
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Lycan

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Re: New Beta?
« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2009, 02:31:36 PM »

Oh yeah, and that. but "better" is all relative to the user.

i'm thinking about changing his member type to "Tech Lawyer" lol.
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Wal_

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Re: New Beta?
« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2009, 02:38:51 PM »

i'm thinking about changing his member type to "Tech Lawyer" lol.

I felt that it is very necessary to establish this clear distinction. Although, we do have ETAs,  there is no point in disclosing them since the ETAs we're sung often change with little or no notice. You can imagine the domino effect forming.
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