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Author Topic: Change DIR-655's IP towards a modem?  (Read 7055 times)

PolarMullah

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Change DIR-655's IP towards a modem?
« on: October 26, 2011, 06:27:06 AM »

Dear gurus and wizards of the sacred DNS,
Please help me, a lonely newcommer, with this trivial, yet pressing matter!

(This IS a rather lengthy rant, so if you choose to read it; you might want to fill up your cup with coffee, tea or other favourite beverage)

I've searched high and low across the wide web, but I have found no real answer to this problem;

Recently, I bought the DIR-655 because the gods of thunder decided to euthanize my old WAP. The original plan was to mate this up with a Tilgin VOOD-modem (modem and router in one; a heap of scrap in my uneducated eyes) in order to make networking within my appartment somewhat easier.

Got it safely indoors, plugged it in as the manual told me, and got it going (my old WAP was also a D-LINK, so the interface was somewhat familiar). Checked cabled connection, worked fine, and I got the wireless-bit to function as well. But then I, or my Xbox 360 to be right on the money, encountered a little problem. As I understand from a little bit of research, I found out that this was a dreaded phenomenon known as

"Moderate NAT"

Before I got the old WAP indoors, I used the onboard router in the TILGIN to do the switching. I used to have this problem back then also, but solved it by opening some of the ports on the modem. Then it switched to "Open NAT", and worked like a charm. Now however, I have ran into a problem I can't dig myself out of. I have tried DMZ, opening numerous ports all the way to the full monty, but I can’t get that NAT to wander into the more acceptable range. And then it became clear that the internet on my laptop was somewhat amputated as well; simple youtube-videos became harder to load (sometimes it actually had to stop for extended streaming!), and this is not acceptable on a 20 mbt DSL-line!

More research revealed that a smart idea could be to just bridge the modem, and let the router do what it’s made to do; routing. Today, the WAN-port of the DIR-655 is connected to a LAN-port in the TILGIN. A somewhat boring call to my ISP was made, who could tell me that this modem was not bridgeable (just my luck), but there was a, somewhat crude, makeshift solution; anything connected to the internal IP known as 192.168.1.33 went into DMZ with the modem; no restraints, all ports open. This could, in theory, remove the bottleneck caused by the modem. :P

But the problems, being much like beers on a Saturday night; they always tend to come in raging hordes, was not over. When I tried to connect to the modem last night, it showed that the DIR-655 was given the IP 192.168.1.4. By now, I have tinkered around enough to know how to reserve the -1.33 IP on the modem for the DIR, but one problem remains;

What do I do to make the DIR accept the -1.33 address, instead of getting a new -1.4? If this was a computer running windows, or even Linux (Mint, I’m not grown up enough to run anything else :(), I just had to set the IP for the computer to static with that address. But I have no clue what so ever on how to do this with the DIR, if it’s even possible!

Please, is this something I do on the DIR? Or on the modem? Or both? Or is it just impossible? Or is it me who is just to dumb for this, and should take up something else, like gardening?
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Re: Change DIR-655's IP towards a modem?
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2011, 07:23:09 AM »

First off you can change the 655 IP address from 192.168.0.1 to 1.1 or can be just about anything really. The LAN side IP addresses are not seen by any one on WAN side of the router. I actually use my house address as my IP address of the router and address pool. If your getting a 1.# from the ISP modem, then I would leave the 655 routers address scheme at 0.# for the LAN side. You'll be fine.

If you can't get a public IP address or bridge the ISP modem. I would recommend getting a modem that does if you can.

What ISP Service do you have? Cable or DSL?
What ISP Modem do you have? Stand Alone or built in router?
What ISP Modem make and model do you have?
If this modem has a built in router, it's best to bridge the modem. Having 2 routers on the same line can cause connection problems.

Yes, using the DMZ on the ISP modem will work. Is there a way that you can reserve the IP address that the 655 gets on the ISP Modem? If so, then reserve it there so the IP address for the 655 never changes.

This still may or may not work to get your NAT to OPEN for gaming.

If you an get this far then I would recommend you review the DGL-4500 forum sticky for XBL. There information there on setting up QoS for XBL. Works very well.

Keep us posted. Maybe someone can use teamviewer.com to review your router settings with you.

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Re: Change DIR-655's IP towards a modem?
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2011, 07:56:14 AM »

Hi, and thanks for bothering reading through my millennia-long rant :P

First off you can change the 655 IP address from 192.168.0.1 to 1.1 or can be just about anything really. The LAN side IP addresses are not seen by any one on WAN side of the router. I actually use my house address as my IP address of the router and address pool. If your getting a 1.# from the ISP modem, then I would leave the 655 routers address scheme at 0.# for the LAN side. You'll be fine.
Now, I must admit I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but this one kind of confused me... I'm very new to networking, so this is baby steps with a whole lot of whining, screaming and kicking :P

If you can't get a public IP address or bridge the ISP modem. I would recommend getting a modem that does if you can.
Yes, it's quite a bummer. Sadly, this is the only modem the ISP ships out with the DSL (fibre-lines gets another one, which CAN be bridged), and I feel I'm not exactly competent to set up a new modem (which, where I live, is quite expensive :P)

What ISP Service do you have? Cable or DSL?
What ISP Modem do you have? Stand Alone or built in router?
What ISP Modem make and model do you have?
If this modem has a built in router, it's best to bridge the modem. Having 2 routers on the same line can cause connection problems.
1)   It’s DSL (or that’s what’s it called, the last time I checked :P)
2)   And 3) The modem is branded TILGIN VOOD, and is a modem with a built-in router… Not sure about the model, but here is a picture of it :P http://avforum.no/forum/attachments/generell-chitchat/24427d1193776103-interesse-demokvelder-alesund-litt-hifi-mye-sosial-prat-vood.jpg

Yes, using the DMZ on the ISP modem will work. Is there a way that you can reserve the IP address that the 655 gets on the ISP Modem? If so, then reserve it there so the IP address for the 655 never changes.
Yes, this is in fact quite simple, but this is where the real problem begins;
I know how to tell the modem that “Yes, you little heap of waste! The DIR demands the 192.168.1.33, and it shall receive no other!”, but how do I tell the DIR-655 that it must demand the -1.33 address..? If I don’t solve this, it will just settle for 192.168.1.4 etc. when I plug it in, and the -1.33 is just a number with nothing attached… I COULD solve this by reserving all the addresses from 192.168.1.2 – 192.168.1.32, and let it automatically dish out the magic number to the DIR when it is plugged in, but that is like digging my way to Japan with a spoon for the sole purpose of buying Cola :P 

*Sigh* I think I should just take up collecting stamps or something...
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Re: Change DIR-655's IP towards a modem?
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2011, 08:15:36 AM »

I've read and typed much longer ones.  ;)
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Re: Change DIR-655's IP towards a modem?
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2011, 08:21:49 AM »

Once the .1.33 address is reserved on the ISP modem/router, it will and should be automatically be picked up by the 655 router when connected and turned on. Just make sure that under Setup/Internet/Manual on the 655 router is set up for My Connection Type: Dynamic IP under Internet Connection Type.

I would ask your ISP if you can use a different DSL modem as most ISP allow this. Dlink makes a pretty good DSL stand alone modem only product.
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PolarMullah

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Re: Change DIR-655's IP towards a modem?
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2011, 01:29:44 PM »

Okay, update:

I managed to press the DIR up to the magic address 30 on my modem, and lock it. Result? No internet. What so ever.  >:( Either I am doing something very wrong, or the guy at my ISP now has the worlds biggest trollface.

So it looked like this:
MODEM SHOWED: 192.168.1.30 = STATIC to DIR-655
DIR-655 SHOWED: IP = 192.168.1.30

But the connection was as dead as the dinner I ate last night  >:(
Removed the Static-rule, and hooked it up again, letting it get whatever address it wanted. Tchaching! Back to life in an (very relative) instant. But the latency continues to defy the laws of nature, which is weird, since a dsl-speed test shows 15 mbt down; 1 up...  ???

EDIT: And, when it actually "works", it seems very choppy; say I punch in www.cnn.com in either opera or firefox, and I know the internet is on... Then it pops up that the site is not online... Try to enter it again, and it works like a charm... This problem spreads around to everything; videos on youtube won't open on the first try, documents the same.. I'm about to go into a deity-fit amount of rage here  >:(
« Last Edit: October 26, 2011, 03:34:03 PM by PolarMullah »
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Re: Change DIR-655's IP towards a modem?
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2011, 04:03:02 PM »

Looks like furry read and responded so I won't reinvent the wheel, but I did a quick google search and found this link. Thought it might be helpful. Is that your device?


Plus, I agree..that is one cheesy looking device. LOL Look at the itty bitty antenna..its almost cute.  ;D
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PolarMullah

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Re: Change DIR-655's IP towards a modem?
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2011, 05:04:03 PM »

Looks like furry read and responded so I won't reinvent the wheel, but I did a quick google search and found this link. Thought it might be helpful. Is that your device?


Plus, I agree..that is one cheesy looking device. LOL Look at the itty bitty antenna..its almost cute.  ;D


That is the little nightmare, alright! And, as a fun-fact; where I live, the Wireless-part is deactivated by default... How much do they charge for putting it up..? About 80$ :P

And believe me; it is as cute as a prolapse from the root of your hair to your crack :P Seriously.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2011, 05:06:06 PM by PolarMullah »
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Re: Change DIR-655's IP towards a modem?
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2011, 05:27:45 PM »

Wait..they charge to activate the wireless? Oooh, I could crack that thing so far and activate the wireless. I hate when ISP's try to do that kind of stuff.
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