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[maraxion]

Hi.
I just read online that in order to get real life high speed from your N router you need to set it to only N, or not have any other G devices connected. If not it wil fall back on the G speed.
Is this correct?

Here the text:
" Wireless N claims "real world" speeds of 130-160Mbps, with a listed maximum of 300Mbps. This is reliant on the router transmitting in full 802.11n mode, which is impossible when an 802.11g device is also connected to the network."

And if so. What is real life expected speed on the dir 655 on a wireless 300 card excelent connection either with pure N and then with combined N/G?

[FurryNutz]

Some routers are designed to handle most any modes simultainiously depending on the client devices and what they support. The 655 should be able to do this if configured correctly. I know at one time i can have several N supporting devices connected at N modes while i have a device connected at G mode. Some devices support N modes however the actual connection speed varies. Iphones for example only seem to max out at 65mb even though the router says its connected at N mode. Same goes for xbox slims w built in wifi, they only connect at 130mb when in N mode. My 2008 mac book pro is the same unless i connect to a 5ghz radio then i get 300mb on N mode. Thats due to the limitation of the mac, not the router.

[maraxion]

Some routers are designed to handle most any modes simultainiously depending on the client devices and what they support. The 655 should be able to do this if configured correctly. I know at one time i can have several N supporting devices connected at N modes while i have a device connected at G mode. Some devices support N modes however the actual connection speed varies. Iphones for example only seem to max out at 65mb even though the router says its connected at N mode. Same goes for xbox slims w built in wifi, they only connect at 130mb when in N mode. My 2008 mac book pro is the same unless i connect to a 5ghz radio then i get 300mb on N mode. Thats due to the limitation of the mac, not the router.

I see, but thats the connection not the actual real world speed. How does that look?
Because my primary router is a 300  non dlink(single channel). Iv been using it because its been a lot more stable then the 655. But when I asked their support they confirmed that 120Mbps pure data is all I maximum could expect with a 300 wireless card. And if I connected G devices the router would drop 30%. And this is a lot newer router.
I realy dont think I can get 300 on the dir 655. Even 250 is a stretch. But is it possible to get 200 or even 150 speed? And then I mean actual intranet speed, not the connection to the card.

Im asking to get a feel of the routers, cause im thinking I can setup 2 wireless networks with gigabit between them. One primary for N and one for G. I have about 10 devices so I want to maximum the speed output on 2-3 of them they needs N.

[FurryNutz]

Ya actual speed Wired or Wireless, we'll never see those speeds seen on the box. Actual Max tested speeds on various routers i've tested have been around 6-15Mb on the up and 10-20Mb on the down. Wired I see 50-80Mb on the down on a 1000Mb network. Speeds are kind of like how marketing is done on HDDs. They have some number on the box that says "1Tb size drive". However you don't get that after all the formatting is done. Never will either. I wish marketing would just be more truthful and upfront about speeds and sizes. It's been like this since the beginning. 

Other factors and variables on WiFi can impact and effect performance as well, external environment and user configuration to name a couple.

[maraxion]

Couldent agree more.
As of now on the closest machine(8 feet) I get about 1500Kb wireless and twice that on 100Mbit cable. First are sending speeds on and old internal G wireless card with 1 antenna doh. Speeds are based on the sending rate to an Shareport on a 655.

I was just hoping to up that so Il be able to send and recieve and offcource streame video on a higher speed when I get N enabled.

[FurryNutz]

Well using shareport will be another factor what could slow down performance.

Once you get directly connected to WiFi on N mode, streaming video should be good if all is set up right and working well. Be aware that some higher bandwidth video can impact WiFi and in these cases, the pipe just isn't big enough on 2.4Ghz where 5Ghz is preferred. Even on 5Ghz, raw BD files will cause bufferings to happen.

[maraxion]

Well using shareport will be another factor what could slow down performance.

Once you get directly connected to WiFi on N mode, streaming video should be good if all is set up right and working well. Be aware that some higher bandwidth video can impact WiFi and in these cases, the pipe just isn't big enough on 2.4Ghz where 5Ghz is preferred. Even on 5Ghz, raw BD files will cause bufferings to happen.

Yea 1080P is a no go, but If I can manage 720P wireless to the router, and that cabled to the player Il be happy.
Just tired of waiting hours for transfeering files to xbox, other machines and such. So I need to find the best solution

Any good tips on the 655 settings I should remember? Il set it up as primary then as slave and try both routers I have to see how they respond.

So Measuring agains the shareport isent good, that maxes out eary on speed? I was thinking it was an USB 2.0 port and would easily keep the speed. Any good tips for testing net speed without setting up some infernal server?

[FurryNutz]

I have a file server with all my files loaded on it.
I also recommend using a external Gb network switch after the router to connect wired devices too. Helps eliminate any unnecessary router processing. 

[maraxion]

I have a file server with all my files loaded on it.
I also recommend using a external Gb network switch after the router to connect wired devices too. Helps eliminate any unnecessary router processing. 

Ah... Thats news to me. So im actualy overloading my router by all the slots But wount that make those devices after the switch slower on the network?

[maraxion]

Hey Fuzzynutz, Iv been thinking on the thing you said about eliminate the routing process with an switch.

How would that work on wireless? If you for an example have 2 routers on a network. One main one with DHCP, and one secondary connected with cable to the first.
If you connect wireles connections on both these routers, will all the strain still be on the DHCP one since all items need to connect to that to get to internet? Or wil the second router ease the strain so the main router can give a higher output to the IP`s directly connected to it on wifi?
Offcource the load of signal wil be devided since you have 2 signals(almost like a dualband router), but im unsure if the second router wil take some of the processing/load from the first?

Reason Im asking is because I want to setup 2 networks. Where the Main router have DHCP and only 2-3 high speed N computers, while the second router takes everything else. Just want to know if its worth the bother or if the strain goes to the DHCP nomather what I do.

And BTW. If what you say is correct that even with Giagabit network you "only" wil get 50-80Mbps wired normaly, is there realy any reason to use more then Cat 5 100Mbps cable?

[FurryNutz]

I believe in KISS. Look it up.

Having more than 2 routers on the same network can be problematic and setting it set up well can be a pain and even worse if you need to troubleshoot. I would use 1 router as your main DHCP, use 1 or 2 network switches after and connect up say 1 or 2 additional DLink DAP model units to help provide coverage and or segregating some of the clients from the main or vs versa. You might want to have all the simple clients connect to the main host routers WiFi while one of the other APs is for streaming or doing other stuff between just those devices, yet still has Internet access.

Heres what mine looks like:

ISP Modem>Main Host Router<>5Ghz AP and xbox connected to the back of the Host router.
                                       <>24pt Gb swtich connected to host router<>All other wired devices and 1 additional AP in the living room connected to switch.

[maraxion]

Hm good idea. I currently have 4 routers on my net now and they work good. But Since Im new to the N standard I wanted to make sure I atleast had one point where I could maximize the N standard speed.

But il try and fail, and see if I cannot find a solution

Thanks for the help!

[FurryNutz]

Let us know what you come up with.
Good Luck and Enjoy.