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Author Topic: Ssecond Xbox one always gets strict  (Read 72802 times)

FurryNutz

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Re: Ssecond Xbox one always gets strict
« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2014, 08:38:11 AM »

No, if the FIOS modem is acting like a router, the 5500 will get a 192 or 172 or 10. IP address string on the 5500s WAN side. Look at the IP address on the 5500 WAN side and see what it gets from the ISP modem. Input this IP address into the modems DMZ, not the 5500 DMZ.

However I believe that BSs modem is fully bridged to the 5500...
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Re: Ssecond Xbox one always gets strict
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2014, 08:42:47 AM »

Furry can't you do screen sharing?  If so take a look at my settings lol make both of our lives easier.
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Re: Ssecond Xbox one always gets strict
« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2014, 08:47:47 AM »

Ya I'm bugging him now to get off Ghosts and post in the forums. LOL  ::)

Ok...Ok.  Working on putting together a post.  Stay Tuned!   ::)
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Re: Ssecond Xbox one always gets strict
« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2014, 08:49:04 AM »

We can use teamviewer if you want...or do you want to wait for BS to post first?

Furry can't you do screen sharing?  If so take a look at my settings lol make both of our lives easier.
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Re: Ssecond Xbox one always gets strict
« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2014, 08:49:31 AM »

The savior is here finally! lol standing by
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Re: Ssecond Xbox one always gets strict
« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2014, 08:50:21 AM »

I wouldn't mind using team viewer lets do it.  Atleast you can see if any other settings I currently have are wrong
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Re: Ssecond Xbox one always gets strict
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2014, 08:51:43 AM »

There all wrong already. I can tell. Ha.  :D

Send me a PM with ID and PW, please be wired to the router...
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Re: Ssecond Xbox one always gets strict
« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2014, 09:04:19 AM »

I will try to be as detailed as I can.  I will UPDATE / MODIFY this post if more clarification is needed.   ;)

This is my current NETWORKING hardware:

Actiontec C1000A (currently subscribe to CenturyLink with speeds of 20/2)
D'Link DGL-5500 (Router) located on Main Level of home
D'Link DIR-868L (Access Point) located on Second Level of home
HP ProCurve 1810G-8 Network Switch (J9449A) located on Main Level of home
HP ProCurve 1810G-8 Network Switch (J9449A) located on Second Level of home

Here is my current NETWORKING configuration (all connections hardwired using CAT6 ethernet cable) reference my NETWORKING hardware:

Actiontec C1000A connected to D'Link DGL-5500 (INTERNET JACK - yellow)
D'Link DGL-5500 (LAN 3) connected to D'Link DIR-868L (LAN 3)
D'Link DGL-5500 (LAN 4) connected to HP ProCurve 1810G-8 Network Switch (Port 1)
D'Link DIR-868L (LAN 4) connected to HP ProCurve 1810G-8 Network Switch (Port 1)

Here is my current NETWORKING configuration (all connections hardwired using CAT6 ethernet cable) reference connected devices:

Xbox One (reserved IP address) connected to D'Link DGL-5500 (LAN 1) - Instant On setting enabled
Xbox 360 (reserved IP address) connected to D'Link DGL-5500 (LAN 2)
DirecTv HR34-700 (reserved IP address) connected to HP ProCurve 1810G-8 Network Switch (Port 2)
Denon AVR 3311ci (reserved IP address) connected to HP ProCurve 1810G-8 Network Switch (Port 3)
58" Panasonic Plasma (reserved IP address) connected to HP ProCurve 1810G-8 Network Switch (Port 4)
ADT Home Alarm System connected to HP ProCurve 1810G-8 Network Switch (Port 8)

Xbox One (reserved IP address) connected to D'Link DIR-868L (LAN 1) - Instant On setting enabled
Xbox 360 (reserved IP address) connected to D'Link DIR-868L (LAN 2)
DirecTv HR24-500 (reserved IP address) connected to HP ProCurve 1810G-8 Network Switch (Port 2)
DirecTv Genie GO (reserved IP address) connected to HP ProCurve 1810G-8 Network Switch (Port 3)
50" Panasonic Plasma (reserved IP address) connected to HP ProCurve 1810G-8 Network Switch (Port 4)

I also have the following devices connected wirelessly to my Home Network:

*27" iMac (5Ghz)
*13" MacBook Air (5Ghz)
*(2)iPad 4th Generation (2.4Ghz)
*iPad Mini (2.4Ghz)
*(3) iPhone 5 (2.4Ghz)
*iPhone 5s (2.4GHz)
*(2) Nest Thermostats
*Withings WS-50 Smart Body Analyzer

Prior to our move across town, I had subscribed speeds of 40/5 (CenturyLink Pure Broadband).  I was able to get OPEN NAT on both Xbox One consoles with Instant On.  After our move (early February) I was only got OPEN NAT on one Xbox One console (first one powered on) if both were powered on with Instant On.

Early this morning, I turned on the Xbox One (main level) and it began a system update.  After it completed the system update, I turned on the second Xbox One (second level) and it began a system update.  I checked the Network Settings / Current Network Status and determined the Xbox One (main level) had OPEN NAT.  After the Xbox One (second level) completed the system update, I checked the Network Settings / Current Network Status and determined the Xbox One (second level) had OPEN NAT.

 :o :o :o :o  WHAT!!   :o :o :o :o  

I initially thought that maybe because both Xbox One consoles had been reset due to the system update, that this was the reason for both Xbox One consoles displaying OPEN NAT.  I DID confirmed that INSTANT ON was still set up like I had it prior to the system update (thought maybe it reset to original out-of-the-box settings).  I shut down the Xbox One (second level) and waited 10 seconds, leaving the Xbox One (main level) powered on.  I powered on the Xbox One (second level), checked the NETWORK SETTINGS / CURRENT NETWORK STATUS and determined I STILL HAD OPEN NAT on the Xbox One (second level).

I'm not sure if the latest Xbox One console system update pushed out today addressed the issues people were having with only one Xbox One console getting OPEN NAT and all others getting STRICT NAT (when powered on using INSTANT ON).  I'm hoping someone else can confirm.   ;)

**FYI - Most of you probably have the ENABLE AUTO BANDWIDTH ESTIMATION box checked, I DO NOT.  I have the ENABLE AUTO BANDWIDTH ESTIMATION box UNCHECKED.  I do have '100' in the Download Speed (Mbps) box, and '10' in the Upload Speed (Mbps) box. FYI**

;D  SO, TO SUM IT UP, I DO HAVE OPEN NAT on BOTH XBOX ONE CONSOLES USING INSTANT ON  ;D  

[Is this detailed enough Furry?]  :D

Are you using DNS relay or is that disabled and using custom DNS?
Have you adjusted the XB1s in the priority list or just left the priorities alone?

**ENABLE DNS RELAY box is UNCHECKED** (updated 03/05/2014)
**Xbox One (main level) has PRIORITY 1 / Xbox One (second level) has PRIORITY 2 << This was my set up after adding the Xbox One consoles to my Home Network a few months ago** (updated 03/05/2014)
MTU 1492 is being used on the router.
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Re: Ssecond Xbox one always gets strict
« Reply #53 on: March 05, 2014, 09:05:44 AM »

Please be detailed as possible. Include your HP model switch info too.

Thank you sir.


Both my Xbox One consoles have OPEN NAT.  

There Furry, I posted.  HA

OK...just kidding.  I will modify this post with as much detailed information as I can

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Re: Ssecond Xbox one always gets strict
« Reply #54 on: March 05, 2014, 10:32:24 AM »

NO, this is a complete lack of any useful information. Ha.  ::)

Kidding,

Are you using DNS relay or is that disabled and using custom DNS?
Have you adjusted the XB1s in the priority list or just left the priorities alone?
What MTU value do you have set on the 5500?
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Re: Ssecond Xbox one always gets strict
« Reply #55 on: March 06, 2014, 07:55:51 AM »

Late last night I turned on my second xb1 after being off for a few hours and it was indeed strict. A guy in the xbox forums is pretty adamant that this is a ARP issue.
Also wanted to report one of the main support guys chimed in with this
"  Just a follow up, we have one of these routers and the developers are putting it into rotation for in depth testing to identify root cause. "

Post from the ARP guy

ARP ARP ARP ARP ARP the mac drops in the ARP table while it sleeps !!! you have  proven it by giving it time to repro. As with Dlink Eng you were testing to quickly as the arp cache had not yet been dropped.

Its the only link in the chain that will suffer a change im almost sure of this , as i ve seen it happen in many other circumstances with two device's. ( Not necessarily only consoles)

MTU Is MOOT in this equation.


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Re: Ssecond Xbox one always gets strict
« Reply #56 on: March 06, 2014, 07:58:11 AM »

So using any value MTU doesnt' fix this, it's when the XB1  sleep for a long period of time if Instant On is enabled and wake is when Strict NAT is seen regardless of reboot of router or not?
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Re: Ssecond Xbox one always gets strict
« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2014, 08:11:25 AM »

That could very well be the case. When I get home in a few hours I will set MTU back to default and test some different time intervals. Do you know how long it would take for the router to release ARP connection from a device? Is it even supposed to do that? Lol
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Re: Ssecond Xbox one always gets strict
« Reply #58 on: March 06, 2014, 08:13:29 AM »

I have no idea about the ARP table. I'll pass this onto D-Link and see if they will respond with any info.

Keep us posted...

That could very well be the case. When I get home in a few hours I will set MTU back to default and test some different time intervals. Do you know how long it would take for the router to release ARP connection from a device? Is it even supposed to do that? Lol
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Re: Ssecond Xbox one always gets strict
« Reply #59 on: March 06, 2014, 12:55:50 PM »

So D-Link has passed on this information to the MS team who's supposed to be working on this. It seems still up in the air weather or not if this is a FW issue on the 5500 or with XB1 and there FW.  ::)

I presume it might take some time or MS to eventually help figure this out. Keep the MS forum going and the information flowing as much as possible. Will keep info going here.

Is there a link to a public forum where this is being held at over there? Or is this all private?

Please be patient.
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