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Author Topic: Odd First Hop on DG:-4500 trace route  (Read 15125 times)

Monoxcide

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Odd First Hop on DG:-4500 trace route
« on: December 10, 2009, 02:26:09 PM »
I've been battling my ISP over an IP change which has effected my packing routing and latency (it has tripled) but I also just recently switched to the DGL-4500 which may be the culprit.

On my old Netgear, when ever I would run a Trace route the first hope would be the router with less than 1ms of latency. With this new DGL-4500 the first hop lists my Computer name and address[0.0.0.0] and usually mimics the latency of the second hop.

If I ping the router, it is less than 1ms. Same goes to any computer on the network.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about.


Tracing route to www.l.google.com [64.233.169.106]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     6 ms    13 ms     7 ms  Matt-PC [0.0.0.0]
  2     6 ms     7 ms     6 ms  173.219.254.18
  3    36 ms    19 ms    17 ms  cdm-66-76-30-181.tylrtx.suddenlink.net [66.76.30
.181]
  4    19 ms    19 ms    17 ms  tyrm-crs02.suddenlink.net [66.76.30.21]
  5    51 ms    50 ms    49 ms  66-76-232-17.tyrd.suddenlink.net [66.76.232.17]

  6    49 ms    49 ms    52 ms  chicosrc01-10gex2-1.tex.sta.suddenlink.net [66.7
6.232.10]
  7    50 ms    49 ms    48 ms  74.125.48.21
  8    49 ms    49 ms    49 ms  209.85.250.239
  9    69 ms    69 ms    68 ms  209.85.242.209
 10    69 ms    62 ms    62 ms  64.233.175.109
 11    71 ms    60 ms    69 ms  216.239.49.149
 12    61 ms    62 ms    61 ms  yo-in-f106.1e100.net [64.233.169.106]

Trace complete.

Can anyone explain to me what is happening and if there is a setting I'm neglecting in the router setup?

Thanks
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Squirrel2

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Re: Odd First Hop on DG:-4500 trace route
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2009, 03:49:53 PM »
Are you running Windows? If so, please post the results of this command:
ipconfig /all
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Monoxcide

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Re: Odd First Hop on DG:-4500 trace route
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2009, 04:31:14 PM »
Here are the Results

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7600]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Matt>ipconfig /all

Windows IP Configuration

   Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Matt-PC
   Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . :
   Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
   IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
   WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

   Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet #
2
   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-1F-BC-07-D0-7A
   DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet
   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-1F-BC-07-D0-79
   DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
   Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::6490:28aa:9473:14a0%11(Preferred)
   IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.199(Preferred)
   Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
   Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:14:03 PM
   Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Monday, January 17, 2146 12:58:29 AM
   Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
   DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
   DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 234889148
   DHCPv6 Client DUID. . . . . . . . : 00-01-00-01-12-92-AE-6C-00-1F-BC-07-D0-79

   DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
   NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter isatap.{0F4596EA-CE31-4910-8F4C-B65699F701C4}:

   Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter
   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
   DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 11:

   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
   DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
   IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 2001:0:4137:9e50:2056:2635:b493:2139(Pref
erred)
   Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::2056:2635:b493:2139%14(Preferred)
   Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : ::
   NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Tunnel adapter isatap.{52A60897-2AC8-4C2E-A93A-30461B96DA5F}:

   Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #2
   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
   DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter 6TO4 Adapter:

   Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft 6to4 Adapter
   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
   DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

C:\Users\Matt>
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Squirrel2

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Re: Odd First Hop on DG:-4500 trace route
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2009, 04:39:45 PM »
Just for the hell of it, I tried this on my network. My router isn't the first hop either.

I will have to look into this one...
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Re: Odd First Hop on DG:-4500 trace route
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2009, 10:28:40 PM »
I can't figure this one out. Anyone else want to take a stab at it?
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Re: Odd First Hop on DG:-4500 trace route
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2009, 11:42:35 AM »
Heres what I get on my MacBook Pro:
Traceroute has started…

traceroute to 64.233.169.106 (64.233.169.106), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1  10.115.192.1 (10.115.192.1)  10.907 ms  10.046 ms  9.985 ms
 2  192.168.32.33 (192.168.32.33)  10.942 ms  11.861 ms  9.655 ms
 3  64-128-89-241.static.twtelecom.net (64.128.89.241)  8.141 ms  7.577 ms  9.285 ms
 4  peer-02-ge-1-0-0-0.palo.twtelecom.net (66.192.243.98)  35.609 ms  33.972 ms  33.446 ms
 5  209.85.240.114 (209.85.240.114)  35.912 ms  40.145 ms  36.963 ms
 6  209.85.242.210 (209.85.242.210)  69.393 ms  69.312 ms  81.015 ms
 7  209.85.249.18 (209.85.249.18)  77.843 ms  76.839 ms  77.749 ms
 8  209.85.242.209 (209.85.242.209)  95.496 ms  86.026 ms  86.016 ms
 9  72.14.236.200 (72.14.236.200)  86.392 ms
    64.233.175.219 (64.233.175.219)  87.438 ms  95.062 ms
10  72.14.232.25 (72.14.232.25)  90.405 ms  102.645 ms
    216.239.49.145 (216.239.49.145)  108.115 ms
11  yo-in-f106.1e100.net (64.233.169.106)  96.057 ms  88.968 ms  87.354 ms
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Cable: 1Gb/50Mb>NetGear CM1200>DIR-882>HP 24pt Gb Switch. COVR-1202/2202/3902,DIR-2660/80,3xDGL-4500s,DIR-LX1870,857,835,827,815,890L,880L,868L,836L,810L,685,657,3x655s,645,628,601,DNR-202L,DNS-345,DCS-933L,936L,960L and 8000LH.

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Re: Odd First Hop on DG:-4500 trace route
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2009, 09:13:34 PM »
Your router isn't the first hop either. Are you on DSL by chance, FurryNutz?
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Monoxcide

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Re: Odd First Hop on DG:-4500 trace route
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2009, 04:42:47 PM »
It almost looks like the Router is acting like my PC and measuring the speed to the first hop, then doing so again.

One thing I have noticed though, is that weird hop I have happened being directly plugged into the modem. Maybe the DGL-4500 doesn't list itself as a hop (Ninja router?) for security reasons?
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Lycan

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Re: Odd First Hop on DG:-4500 trace route
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2009, 10:55:43 AM »
Are you running any anti-virus?
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Monoxcide

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Re: Odd First Hop on DG:-4500 trace route
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2009, 11:24:04 AM »
I do have Nod32 running but I disabled it with the same results. Without the router I get the same weird results. I'm assuming its either some funky setting in Windows 7 I can't find or screwed up routing from my ISP (probably them since they fail at everything).

(All with no AV)

1) With DGL-4500 same results as above
2) Directly to modem (was using a switch due to modem location but that shouldn't matter, it has no address) exact same trace route with funky first hop as my PC.

So my conclusions is the DGL-4500 does not show up in trace route results. Why, I have no idea.
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Re: Odd First Hop on DG:-4500 trace route
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2009, 06:19:38 PM »
I've never seen a machine show itself in a traceroute. Perhaps you have something odd in your internet settings. Like maybe a proxy setting?

It is definitely the case where the DGL-4500 doesn't show up in the traceroute results. I've confirmed this on 3 machines. Any ideas, Lycan?
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Re: Odd First Hop on DG:-4500 trace route
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2009, 01:39:44 PM »
Quote from: Squirrel2 on December 12, 2009, 09:13:34 PM
Your router isn't the first hop either. Are you on DSL by chance, FurryNutz?

Sorry for not replying sooner, No I'm on CABLE modem. Linksys Cablemodem>4500>HP 24pt Switch.
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Re: Odd First Hop on DG:-4500 trace route
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2010, 10:49:49 AM »
are you guys running DNS relay?
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Re: Odd First Hop on DG:-4500 trace route
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2010, 02:01:48 PM »
I am and my buddy in OK is too.
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Re: Odd First Hop on DG:-4500 trace route
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2010, 05:24:06 PM »
I'm not running DNS Relay.
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