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[Hard Harry]

Its been a hard couple of weeks for the internet. First a Hurricane put 2+million people in the dark for several days on the NE coast. Then a huge power outage took out most of Southern CA (2.5million). And today, a main backbone died in Kansas, taking out 1+million people. Netflix, MSN, XBL, Yahoo, PSN...all with serious issues across the country at different spots.

[FurryNutz]

What was the cause of Kansas going dow? Any info?

[kargo27]

What was the cause of Kansas going dow? Any info?

A tornado maybe?  It's what got Dorothy and Toto.

[FurryNutz]

Wow, Kansas back done was Dorthy and toto? wow. 

[JavaLawyer]

Wow, Kansas back done was Dorthy and toto? wow. 

With all those tornados, does the Wizard rely on wireless 4G?

[kargo27]

With all those tornados, does the Wizard rely on wireless 4G?

LOL!

[Hard Harry]

I was thinking of "maybe" getting a 360. With all the different versions, whats the best? Are the 360 slims better then the Elites? Can you add a after market harddrive onto the 4GB 360slim versions? Which version is the most dependable?

[FurryNutz]

I think the slims have built in HDDs unlike the 1st gen 360 that you can upgrade. The slims can only do 2.4Ghz max. You can get a 5Ghz WiFi adapter for the 1st gen. Not sure if it would work on the slims. I've had 2 1st gens and each lasted about a 2 years avg before the RRoD came along. I think thats been taken care of with the slims. Only a solder job I guess fixes most of the RRoD issues. I have a budy with 2 slims, does ok. Just not flexible in the upgrade department as the 1st gens. I still have 2 1st gens and working well. Pays to keep them as cool as possible.

Wow, You mean we might get to play with the mighty Harry after all? Wow.

[Hard Harry]

Mighty? Not so much. I cant compete with the newest generation of players and their twitch reflexes. Give me a hour or two on a level though and I have excellent spatial awareness which makes me pretty deadly with a plasma grenade. Also, I could hold my own at the sniper spot on River in GOW2.

Anyway, I am more concerned about hardware. I am going to be running my PS3, 360, and TV of a 4 port switch connected by about a 7-10foot CAT6 to my 4500. And even if I needed wireless, I could just get a ethernet wireless adapter. The Trendnet one I got for my friend is working great. Here are my questions:

1. Besides the hard drive, and the differnent casing, are there any differences between Xbox 360 Slim 4GB and the Xbox 360 Slim 250GB?

2. Can I buy and upgrade the HD on the Xbox 360 Slim 4GB? Where is a 4GB kept? ::edit:: Looks like not easily. Risk of ban and 3rd party doesn't work with all games? 130$ for a 250GB drive when I can get 500GB wd5000bpkt for 70$ on newegg? What a rip off.

3. Is there any models on the horizon which may be better hardware wise? Like a Xbox 360 Slim Elite?

4. Are there different hardware versions based on manufacture date of the 360 Slims? Or are they all still the same at this point?

[kargo27]

Mighty? Not so much. I cant compete with the newest generation of players and their twitch reflexes. Give me a hour or two on a level though and I have excellent spatial awareness which makes me pretty deadly with a plasma grenade. Also, I could hold my own at the sniper spot on River in GOW2.

Anyway, I am more concerned about hardware. I am going to be running my PS3, 360, and TV of a 4 port switch connected by about a 7-10foot CAT6 to my 4500. And even if I needed wireless, I could just get a ethernet wireless adapter. The Trendnet one I got for my friend is working great. Here are my questions:

1. Besides the hard drive, and the differnent casing, are there any differences between Xbox 360 Slim 4GB and the Xbox 360 Slim 250GB?

2. Can I buy and upgrade the HD on the Xbox 360 Slim 4GB? Where is a 4GB kept? ::edit:: Looks like not easily. Risk of ban and 3rd party doesn't work with all games? 130$ for a 250GB drive when I can get 500GB wd5000bpkt for 70$ on newegg? What a rip off.

3. Is there any models on the horizon which may be better hardware wise? Like a Xbox 360 Slim Elite?

4. Are there different hardware versions based on manufacture date of the 360 Slims? Or are they all still the same at this point?

Yea, Harry!!!  Do it!

Furry is right on with his older XBOX assessment.  I had a 2008 model XBOX which was the Arcade version....no HDD, that my wife got for me for XMAS.  I added the 120GB HDD and this.... http://www.google.com/products/catalog?ds=pr&pq=intercooler+ts&hl=en&sugexp=gsis,i18n%3Dtrue&cp=20&gs_id=y&xhr=t&q=nyko+intercooler+ts+xbox+360&qe=aW50ZXJjb29sZXIgdHMgeGJveCA&qesig=cTe8kgRQL1fnERyr6Ej17A&pkc=AFgZ2tm3CFH9ek7cZq_8Ut-Wouyxdbj6eKebsMnfGU2vc3CVjv8lTmLjLieZpTFHXTRvZanD4FKL4twsJAWFarRBtACdORJX3A&nord=1&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&ion=1&biw=1366&bih=653&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=4051614441185416797&sa=X&ei=rFBvTvDJBKaFsgLmt6C5CQ&sqi=2&ved=0CFkQ8wIwAA

I played hundreds of hours on it and never RROD it.  It was noisy with the fans running.  Then, when the Slim came out last summer, Gamestop had an awesome trade in deal going so I traded it in on the Slim with the 250GB HDD.

I recently got my son the refurbished 4GB Slim but got the 250GB HDD from here...... http://www.amazon.com/250G-Hard-Disk-Drive-Microsoft/dp/B004GX4864/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315918192&sr=8-1

They say you can't play original XBOX games and save them on it, but we don't own any original ones.

So, I basically got a 250GB slim for the price of a new basic version.  His plays the same as mine, there's no difference.  Plus, I got the full factory warranty from MicroSoft on it.  If buying a refurb, check the fine print for warranty info.  His refurb was $150 shipped, IIRC.

On top of that here's an incredible bundle on XBOX LIVE subscription, keypad and headset..... ah damn......sold out....... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16874103230

I'm still nervous about the overheating issue even though they've revamped the Slim.  So I got us a couple of these intercoolers...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKzq4sZRtlc

[FurryNutz]

Not sure about the slims however I remember in the 1st gens, the arcade version didn't have HDMI. The Elites did. Not sure if the slims did the same thing or not. I went for "all Ieen" and got the elites. And if you think you can upgrade the HDD on the xbox by just buying any old hdd from newegg to put in side the HDD housing, think again!!! It's possible however your limited by the 250Gb size. The rest of your 500Gb drive will be useless.
If your really want to get one, why not check out craigslist, ebay or amazon and go used. Might find you a great deal on a good unit.

After researching the HDD upgrade information, I concluded that with the games I play, 120Gb was perfect for me. I put all of the games on the HDD I play and still have 70Gb left I think. And not that I have other resources for putting things on servers and playing on boxee, xbox is mainly a gamer and some netflix streaming now. Do you really need 250Gb? If your just going to play games here and there, then think of your cost that you want to incur before making the jump. Think about how much you'll be playing and what games you'll be playing.

I played in the living room last nite which is wired to a switch in the living room then runs down the hallway and into my office where the network HW is located. Wired distance is about 20-25 feet. Enjoyed every bit of it accept playing with the cheaters. LOL.

You'll be fine man. Just breath.
Impending MW3, BF3 and HALO 1 Redux is it for me.

[JavaLawyer]

Not much activity in the forum today. . .

[FurryNutz]

Ya been slow this week so far. 

[JavaLawyer]

There was a small flurry of activity last Friday when D-Link released new beta firmware for the DNS-320 and DNS-325, but other than the usual post-release commentary, it's been pretty quiet.

[FurryNutz]

I saw that. Been fairly quiet today and yesterday  on the router side, aside from Kargo and Harry making some racket here and there.