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[Nicole Smith]

Hi, my name is Nicole i started a thread a couple of days ago, thank you for a couple of people who tried helping me, but unfortunately i had already tried all those things before posting my thread.  I had firmware 1.02 running on all my router. then flash with the new 1.15 and after that, the router just resets itself time after time, and there is a time when the router turn off, and i have to wait 1 or 2 hours before it turns on again.


 ???P.S

I have not tried out firmware 1.12 or 1.13 , i just upgraded from 1.02 to 1.15
My question to everyone is, what Firmware is better and more stable and why.  Firmware 1.12 or Firmware 1.13 

                       
thank you in advanced & happy holidays

[Dragonslore]

Stay away from v1.13

that one is the worst in the way that it becomes extremely difficult to make any changes or to flash a different firmware.

V1.12 is fairly good albeit, not as good as v1.02

v1.15 seems to have some of the same problems as v1.13 but not as severe. You can make changes, but after a period of time, it won't accept any more changes. But at least a hard reset allows you to go back to a previous firmware version.

V1.13 is bad enough that even with a hard reset, you may have difficulty trying to reflash the unit and it may take several tries of doing hard resets before you get a successful flash job.

But then again, v1.15 seems to have fixed a few problems. Although once you do a successful update, you need to get all your configuration changes done before the router locks you out from any more changes. Something like 15 minutes or less, not exactly sure how little time you may have.

[Puffnstuff]

If not using the usb port doesn't bother you then the 1.12 will suite you just fine.  I've had problems with every fw since 1.02 however 1.12 seems to work the best for me.  I had to do a hard reset of the router then navigate through the menu to the flash page first thing in order for it to take the older fw.  If you attempt to make changes before you attempt to flash it most likely won't work or at least it didn't for me.

[anon]

As said before good luck with anything other than 1.02. They each have some problem.

[Nicole Smith]

Ok thanks ill try 1.12 .. 

if i upgrade from 1.02 to 1.15 .. i can't go back to 1.02 ..? right..?

Stay away from v1.13

that one is the worst in the way that it becomes extremely difficult to make any changes or to flash a different firmware.

V1.12 is fairly good albeit, not as good as v1.02

v1.15 seems to have some of the same problems as v1.13 but not as severe. You can make changes, but after a period of time, it won't accept any more changes. But at least a hard reset allows you to go back to a previous firmware version.

V1.13 is bad enough that even with a hard reset, you may have difficulty trying to reflash the unit and it may take several tries of doing hard resets before you get a successful flash job.

But then again, v1.15 seems to have fixed a few problems. Although once you do a successful update, you need to get all your configuration changes done before the router locks you out from any more changes. Something like 15 minutes or less, not exactly sure how little time you may have.

[Nicole Smith]

i dont think i need the usb port on the back, so ill try 1.12

If not using the usb port doesn't bother you then the 1.12 will suite you just fine.  I've had problems with every fw since 1.02 however 1.12 seems to work the best for me.  I had to do a hard reset of the router then navigate through the menu to the flash page first thing in order for it to take the older fw.  If you attempt to make changes before you attempt to flash it most likely won't work or at least it didn't for me.

[Nicole Smith]

is there a way to go back to 1.02 since i flashed from 1.02 to 1.15..  thanks

As said before good luck with anything other than 1.02. They each have some problem.

[Dragonslore]

For some reason, possibly something to do with the processor itself or the way the flash chip is ?setup? you can't go back to v1.02

The biggest reason for this is cause v1.02 is susceptable to the DNS Vulnerability exploit Flaw.

Since this past summer, All Hardware and software vendors have been scrambling to issue firmware and software updates to try and eliminate and DNS Vulnerability exploit flaws that were in existence at the time and any that may still exist.

Basically, a DNS Vulnerabilty Exploit allows a hacker to change your DNS server whether it be at the router or your system (where ever the vulnerability exists) to that of a Rogue DNS server. Once that happens, who ever is in control of the Rogue DNS server can capture any and all data that passes through that server. That basically means you go to a banking website, login and do your business then log out. Everything you did could have been captured by the rogued server, all without having to infect your system.

But think about it, they could capture credit card numbers, bank account information and a whole lot of other information this way. Or they could redirect you to the wrong website/s and trick you into entering your personal information with you thinking you're really at the real site. Or the site they redirect you to could infect your system with any parasites they chose to infect your system with.

That's the reason why everyone has been scrambling to fix this problem.

Who ever controls the internet, pretty much controls everything around them and you certainly don't want the criminals to be in full control. Cause once that happens, we may as well just get rid of our internet connections and lots of people will be bored out of their minds. But then again, they'll get a lot more work done.

[anon]

I've heard this a few other places and I'm glad if fixes were done. But I dont think the DNS fix had to kill the router I have they way it did. Clearly more had to have been done to it starting on f/w 1.12.

Also I find it odd they still have f/w 1.02 up on the support site.

[Dragonslore]

Yeah, they tend to keep all their old files instead of deleting files as they should.

But as for fixing things, I think with the Ubicom firmware, they are trying to keep things hush, hush. In other words, to themselves a little too much instead of getting the outside help they need to sort out the problems and fix things correctly.

The firmware is a complete Operating System.

So any single module or driver contained within the operating system or even any errors in configurations files or what ever else is contained within the operating system can cause the problems we are seeing.

Just look at Microsoft and all the problems they have had over the years.

Look at Linux and the on going developement effort. Periodically you see different items for which updates are released to fix problems which were discovered.

Seeing as Ubicom wants to keep things Proprietary, I think it's time for someone to develope a third party firmware similiar to DD-WRT or better.

[Nicole Smith]

Thank you for clearing that up for me, ok so i guess 1.02 was more stable, but it has that dns vulnerablility problem.  wow i used 1.02 for like 3 weeks, i hope no one has none of my information..

For some reason, possibly something to do with the processor itself or the way the flash chip is ?setup? you can't go back to v1.02

The biggest reason for this is cause v1.02 is susceptable to the DNS Vulnerability exploit Flaw.

Since this past summer, All Hardware and software vendors have been scrambling to issue firmware and software updates to try and eliminate and DNS Vulnerability exploit flaws that were in existence at the time and any that may still exist.

Basically, a DNS Vulnerabilty Exploit allows a hacker to change your DNS server whether it be at the router or your system (where ever the vulnerability exists) to that of a Rogue DNS server. Once that happens, who ever is in control of the Rogue DNS server can capture any and all data that passes through that server. That basically means you go to a banking website, login and do your business then log out. Everything you did could have been captured by the rogued server, all without having to infect your system.

But think about it, they could capture credit card numbers, bank account information and a whole lot of other information this way. Or they could redirect you to the wrong website/s and trick you into entering your personal information with you thinking you're really at the real site. Or the site they redirect you to could infect your system with any parasites they chose to infect your system with.

That's the reason why everyone has been scrambling to fix this problem.

Who ever controls the internet, pretty much controls everything around them and you certainly don't want the criminals to be in full control. Cause once that happens, we may as well just get rid of our internet connections and lots of people will be bored out of their minds. But then again, they'll get a lot more work done.

[Dragonslore]

There is a lot more to it, but a lot of Manufacturer routers were vulnerable.
Same thing with computer operating systems.

There are constant problems involving the internet cause of the criminal factions that are out there actively doing everything they can to exploit any security flaw they can expose and they lay lots of traps in the way of infected sites.

As for your chances of having been hit in a three week period, unless your router was left unprotected (factory defaults) I'd say the chances of your data having been exposed and actively gathered via the DNS Exploit is very Slim to Nill.

If you want to learn more about what is actually out there & what is going on plus  a good site to go to if and when you need help with your system, then here is the place to go.

Spywareinfo Forums

There are a number of forum topics (sub-forums) at your disposal.
Here are a few of which you'll find interesting.

• Malware Removal <<----- Help with detecting and eradicating Spyware and other parasites.
  
• Security Warnings <<---- Alerts on the newest Security issues, usually even before others hear about it.
  
• Open Forum <<---------- This is where you'll find the Sticky where you can apply to the Boot Camp for training
                                      if you're interested in learning. Also, it's the Anything Goes forum.
  
• On the web <<---------- Interesting stuff gets posted here, usually news items
  

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The Boot Camp forum has it's own set of sub-forums and remains invisible until you join and become a helper trainee.

BTW......

The actual address of the site is www.spywareinfoforum.com

The old address which was spywareinfo has expired and is now in the hands of Malware Purveyors.
So if you go to the old address, you stand a good chance of your system getting infected.