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[XS]

XS,

Quick question.. Do you have 1 360 in the DMZ?

Nope, I am not a fan of DMZ, so am reluctant to use it, I prefer security over lag, lol.  I thought about it but its not worth to me to make one of my Xbox vulnerable to being hacked even if its highly unlikely.  Anyway thanks for the tip.

It is probably just coincidence but I have been seeing a lot more lag even playing solo since disabling PT.  My son and I played a few games the other day, I was doing good and he was lagging real bad so he quit playing, so I stayed in the same lobby with the same players and played solo, lag was real bad and I think I went 6/14!  Wow! previous games I was positive!!!  Anyway next time one of us stops playing I am going to back out to the dashboard and log back into to MW3 because it screwed something up in the lag compensation dept. by one of us quitting.   I think MW3 is just broke and I should just give up tweaking stuff but my OCD won't let me.

Would be interested to review your router settings with you via teamviwer sometime. 

Me or Frag?

[FurryNutz]

Me.

We need to set up some gaming time between us so we can see whats going on.

Do you have MW2 by chance? I suppose I should download B.O. 

[fraggboy]

I totally understand that you aren't a fan of DMZ.  I'm not either, but I have never read of a case that their 360 got hacked/messed up while in the DMZ.

I think the 4500 is getting confused sending the packets to the correct 360. If one is in the DMZ, it doesn't have to worry about that 360.

Anyways, hope there might be another workaround for you.

[XS]

Me.

We need to set up some gaming time between us so we can see whats going on.

Do you have MW2 by chance? I suppose I should download B.O. 

Oh ok, yeah I have not changed much since you checked my settings out a month or two ago.  The only tweaks I made were adding GF rules and using PT.

Yeah I have MW2 still but I have been working a lot lately .

Frag,
I am pretty sure it just MW3 because in Bops we did not see any of these lag issues, well sometimes but no where near what we see now, but who knows...

[FurryNutz]

Would be interesting to see if you and your son exhibit the same thing on MW2.

Let me know if you want a review. Also would be interesting to see if the original GF rules  setup for XBL change anything on MW3. 

I'll go home tonight and reconnect my 4500 and see whats going on.

[FurryNutz]

XS,
Curious here. Do you see this issue if you disable any PT and GF rules and just let the 4500 automatically handle the xboxes? 
Leaving the following enabled:
Enable GameFuel
Automatic Classification
Automatic Uplink Speed
SPI NAT at Endpoint for TCP and UDP.

[fraggboy]

I even have the NAT Endpoint Filtering TCP/UDP set to "Port And Address Restricted" (Better security, but could cause issues), which I forgot to mention. 

[FurryNutz]

Try the afore mentioned suggestion when you get a chance. 

[XS]

Yes when PT is disabled I do and I have always used GF rules.

Also I use Endpoint Independent for both TCP and UDP.

FYI, When I run that line quality check at DSL reports, I get cleaner signal results but no first hop ping. not sure why.

Anyway, I will see how it goes with PT enabled and then if no improvement, I will disable the manual GF rules and PT.

[XS]

Update:

Well I played with PT disabled and that was a bad idea.  Anyway I enabled PT again last week and over all gaming is little better but I think MW3 is just a junk game.  One thing I did notice with PT enabled is that every once in awhile I will have some sort of host advantage and I can run around knowing it, I will win most gun fights, probably because the other team is lagging and not me. 

I do not see these types of games with PT disabled, so with that being said.  I would recommend try out PF or port triggering. If you have one Xbox, use PF and if you have more than 1 Xbox use PT.  I suggest trying it out for a week or so, improvements are slight but noticeable.

I wouldn't expect much since MW3 is one big lag fest but maybe you will see one to two really good games.

[FurryNutz]

I'll give this a try.
So far I've done the following:
1. Default settings on the 4500 and XBL(no PT,PF or GF rules) and default SPI/NAT settings NAT was OPEN: Gaming was ok. Never saw more than 3 bars on MW3.

2. Using GF and 3074 port only and 65 on remote IP range and SPI NAT EndPoint Independent: Gaming is very good except the occasional lag and I see full bars on MW3.

I'll try out PT tonight and test since I only have one xbox in use.