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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2013, 09:14:08 AM »

By the way, the ooma is inside the network (after the router), so it is not doing any routing for my network. Nothing is plugged into it, it is just for voip.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2013, 09:23:41 AM »

I thought I would jump in here as I think I have seen something similar in my testing with the 5500.

In running a speedtest that not only measures the speed but how long it takes for packets to come and go in a stream, I noticed that with the speed(stream) boost enabled, an upload will stream for 2 seconds, pause for 2 seconds then finish the rest of the test.  I will post a screenshot of this when I get home.  If I take speed(stream) boost off I do not get the delay.  

I have an XBone (wired) and I too, have the 2% loss both with the stream boost on or off.  I thought it was my internet, but now I am wondering if it is the router.  

Edit: corrected terminology
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2013, 09:24:43 AM »

Well, streaming over G might not carry a big enough pipe for some streaming. Might depend on the rate of your source video can impact this as well. The small the data rate is on video files the better G might handle them. The bigger, then the pipe becomes filled to capacity and data flow performance will decrease.

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In that case, especially since I was having the issue streaming video over the wireless (wireless G) with traffic shaping off - my cordless phone base is no longer plugged in (the phones all have dead batteries and won't hold a charge). However, I do have an ooma close to the router, but I thought I had turned off the ooma's wireless. Not sure. I'll have to check.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2013, 09:26:50 AM »

Are you wired or wireless when testing? Both exhibit the same thing?
What modes are you using when wireless? Both radios?
Is HT20/40Mhz Co-existence enabled or disabled?

I thought I would jump in here as I think I have seen something similar in my testing with the 5500.

In running a speedtest that not only measures the speed but how long it takes for packets to come and go in a stream, I noticed that with the speed boost enabled, an upload will stream for 2 seconds, pause for 2 seconds then finish the rest of the test.  I will post a screenshot of this when I get home.  If I take speed boost off I do not get the delay.  

I have an XBone (wired) and I too, have the 2% loss both with the stream boost on or off.  I thought it was my internet, but now I am wondering if it is the router. 
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2013, 09:33:04 AM »

Are you wired or wireless when testing? Both exhibit the same thing?
What modes are you using when wireless? Both radios?
Is HT20/40Mhz Co-existence enabled or disabled?


Speed test was wireless from Alienware win 7 os, but the XBone test was wired and wireless and still had 2% loss.
Both radios are enabled, I am using 2.4 for computers and 5.0 for the XBone.
HT20/40 enabled for both.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2013, 09:38:27 AM »

Set single mode N, WPA2 and AES only and disable HT20/40 and test again with XB1 or PC.

  • Try setting a manual Channel to a open or unused channel. 1, 6 or 11. 11 for single mode N if the channel is clear.
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  • Any other WiFi routers in the area? Link> Use InSSIDer to find out. How many?
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2013, 09:43:26 AM »

Set single mode N, WPA2 and AES only and disable HT20/40 and test again with XB1 or PC.

Ok I will try it, but I won't be able to report back until I get home in a few hours.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2013, 09:44:12 AM »

At your leisure sir.  ;)

Ok I will try it, but I won't be able to report back until I get home in a few hours.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2013, 10:06:33 AM »

The reason I am wanting to move off the Apple was for what the Streamboost was supposed to do that Apple doesn't. If in the living room someone is streaming a movie on the Apple TV, the office someone is listing to Pandora, my son is streaming a movie to his iPad, and I am on the Xbox gaming I want to make sure the bandwidth was going to the right places so everyone could enjoy what they were doing.

The Apple Router shows up as Open Nat and we have had no issues playing online using it with the 360 or the One. The 5500 does great when the Xbox's are plugged in via Ethernet with no issues but the problem is that Ethernet is only available in the living room and office and the Xbox's need to be up stairs where when gaming we don't take over the living room. The Game room is directly above the office so only the floor is in the way and the Apple router has no issues as i posted with that setup.

So, does the apple router not share your bandwidth very well? Are you running into issues currently? Your original post is making me consider dropping my 5500 and pick up an airport. I've assumed the low speeds from the detailed network results on my Xbox One and pack loss were on Microsoft's end, but I have been suspicious of the 5500.

I am getting the same results that you mentioned. My Xbox One is hard wired and my speed tests from my hard wired PCs get more than my full 30 and 5 with a low ping (< 50) almost no matter which server I pick in the US. My Xbox one gets about 5 down and less than 5 up. with a ping of anywhere from 120 to over 200. I've forwarded all the recommended ports (https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/networking/network-ports-used-xbox-live) to make sure I have an open NAT, but I still need to reboot the Xbox (as pointing out in another post) and often, the router, to get an open NAT.

I'm going to try hard wiring the Xbox One directly to the cable modem tonight and running the detailed network results. Sorry, I may not be much help, but it is interesting to see another user having the same issue in a similar situation with this router.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2013, 10:21:59 AM »

Can you get an estimate one distances, even direct line of direct upstairs. I presume the router is is the office or the living room?

Central placement of the router is key as well.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2013, 10:34:25 AM »

Router is about 15 feet below and is in the middle of the outside wall about a foot away in the center of the tablet about 12 inches away from the modem and switch in the office. Testing is done directly above it in the middle of the room sitting on a plastic table.

When I get home tonight I will put up some screen shots of the testing along with the placement of the routers.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2013, 10:39:06 AM »

The 5500 does great when the Xbox's are plugged in via Ethernet with no issues...

So you get your full bandwidth with the Xbox One hard wired? Hmm. I wonder what's wrong with mine?

As for the wireless, did you try making sure the 5500 is away from other devices (even non-wireless ones) that may be causing interference - TV, etc. I had a DGL-4300 that died recently and swapped in the 5500 in the exact same location, but noticed the 5500 was a little more susceptible to interference from these devices than the 4300. I had to move it to a slightly different location in order for it to work as well as the 4300.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2013, 10:44:26 AM »

Have you done a factory reset on the XB1?

So you get your full bandwidth with the Xbox One hard wired? Hmm. I wonder what's wrong with mine?

As for the wireless, did you try making sure the 5500 is away from other devices (even non-wireless ones) that may be causing interference - TV, etc. I had a DGL-4300 that died recently and swapped in the 5500 in the exact same location, but noticed the 5500 was a little more susceptible to interference from these devices than the 4300. I had to move it to a slightly different location in order for it to work as well as the 4300.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2013, 11:01:42 AM »

No, its just now working they way we want and don't want to have to getting it to learn all over again. Also its not the only device having the issue.
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Re: Wifi Performance coming from an Apple Airport
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2013, 11:07:13 AM »

I would do a factory reset or try the button thing on the controller to refresh the NAT.

Xbox is notorious for there networking and not fully clearing out. Factory reset does this.
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